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Richard Verrill
United Kingdom
346 Posts |
 Posted - 17/10/2021 : 22:24:55
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I have watched Earthshot Prize tonight and wonder if I could convert my P type to run on hydrogen much like my father did during WW2 running MG 3880 on town gas.
Not at all sure how it was done, all I have are these two photos with a note “Ullswater on gas cylinder 1942” and a vague memory of father saying he rigged up the system with a valve to change over to gas turning off petrol when the engine was warmed up.
Richard
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LewPalmer
USA
3247 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2021 : 02:14:20
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Where are going to obtain hydrogen?
Many early conversions were to coal gas, I believe.
Lew Palmer
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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
948 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2021 : 08:00:47
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My memory is 'water gas' made by passing steam through burning coke, producing a mix of hydrogen and carbon monoxide.
Ian Bowers
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Edited by - Ian Bowers on 18/10/2021 08:01:20 |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6152 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2021 : 08:38:35
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From The Model Engineer, 1957
ALE 456 is J3367 now registered OSL 837, Register number 3074. A fairly recent Register number (relatively speaking) so possibly still around although according to the DVLA website it hasn’t been taxed for twenty years.
Simon J
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Richard Verrill
United Kingdom
346 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2021 : 08:44:25
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The winner of Fix our Climate section of the Earthshot Prize, AEM Electrolyser got me thinking. See https://www.enapter.com/electrolyser
I know there were many gas conversions during the war, what I would like to know is how was it practically done. I suspect there were press articles outlining diy methods, has anybody seen such articles?
Richard
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Richard Verrill
United Kingdom
346 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2021 : 08:55:28
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Thanks Simon
Richard
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3111 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2021 : 12:34:28
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I understand there are ideas to produce hydrogen from power generated by wind turbines (for example) at times of low demand so perhaps hydrogen will be readily available when the technology moves on.
This wartime illustration shows a couple of options used in France.
One car has an elaborate device for generating gas - is that charcoal being poured in?
The other car is illustrated being loaded with bottled gas.
Driving round carrying the apparatus to produce gas seems to be an unsatisfactory alternative to bottled gas.
Richard, did your father ever say how the town gas he used was compressed and what sort of range a cylinder of gas would provide?
Didn't Morgans sold in the United States (for a while at least) have to be converted to run on LPG to get round the strict emission controls?
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Richard Verrill
United Kingdom
346 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2021 : 14:05:38
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Sam, how father compressed the gas is what has puzzled me but as can be seen in the photos the solid cylinder is sitting in a cradle with valve on top with a pipe leading towards and possibly utilising one of the fuel pipes. He had a gas engine driving his workshop now whether he was able to use this as a compressor I do not know.
As for range how far the trip to the Lake District from Tyneside solely by gas is unknown but knowing father he would be maximising his ability on courting trips, they seemed to get about all over the North East.
Richard
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Mikeenty
United Kingdom
199 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2021 : 16:04:56
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My uncle had a Morris 10/4 running on gas in the 1940s. From memory of the photograph i saw some 60 years ago, he towed a small trailer with the coke burner and water behind. The gas was stored at atmospheric pressure in a bag fixed to the car’s roof. It must have been quite economical for the Coke was freely available from the town gasworks, they had more than they knew what to do with. He did frequent journeys from Manchester to Southport in it.
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Oz34
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/10/2021 : 21:15:28
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Talking to two different engineers while on the Welsh tour two years ago, both thought hydrogen was the way to go and one said his Triple M could be converted and that it could be dispensed from existing filling stations.
I know nothing Misser Fawlty, just passing on what I was told.
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Widung
Sweden
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Posted - 19/10/2021 : 09:00:51
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As they say in Germany: "Warum solo man es einfach machen wenn mann es so schön komplizieren kann" or in English: "Why make it in a simple way when you can complicate it so nicely"?
How about alcohol? Less parts to modify and readily available ethanol...
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