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Colin Butchers

United Kingdom
1487 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2010 :  11:43:26  Show Profile
Yes Peter, the six lady drivers of the three PAs at Le Mans in 1935 were known as George Eyston's Dancing Daughters although I believe that he hated the name. Excellent articles on their exploits have appeared in past Yearbooks - 1983 by Wilson McComb, 2001 by Graham Arrondelle and 2004 by Malcolm Green. However, an article written by one of the illustrious ladies herself would be something else. Go for it, please Peter.

Colin B.
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Mike the M

United Kingdom
481 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2010 :  22:55:40  Show Profile
Would suggest that Lewis Welch was the most successful of the three as he won FOUR MCC Triples on both 2, 3 and 4 wheels. First drove BSA in 1921 and an M i8n the 1929 Edinburgh, last MCC recorded event 1937 Torquay in a Jensen. In the meantime 1933 Alpine and 1935 Welsh Rally.
However Kindell was the chief British tester for Mercedes in 1928.
Mike d.

Mike Dalby
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DickMorbey

United Kingdom
3677 Posts

Posted - 08/02/2010 :  09:57:57  Show Profile
Mike

Welcome to your first posting on the forum!

Regards
Dick Morbey, PA/B 0743
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Enfield Allday

United Kingdom
47 Posts

Posted - 24/02/2010 :  21:35:57  Show Profile
Regarding T Considine's inquiry regarding the Miles Collier Le Mans PA JB6157 chassis No. PA1667, I would refer you to The Autocar 31 August 1945 pages 630 & 631 in the series 'Talking of Sports Cars' No. 267 which consists of a submission written by Miles Collier himself. Also useful is the book American Road Racing by John C Rueter publisher A S Barnes & Co, New York, 1963 which covers the acitivies of the New England enthusiasts and others in the pre-war days.
It might be worth trying through the Miles Collier Museum to establish contact with Hugh Bancroft Jnr presumably the son of the Hugh Bancroft Jnr who raced MG K3011 the ex-Whitney Straight & Miles Collier car in 1937. Recently I noticed that Hugh Bancroft Jnr had an address in Texas- I wonder if he has any photographs of MGs from the period? Please let us know if you turn anything up
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Gordon

United Kingdom
691 Posts

Posted - 25/02/2010 :  06:44:49  Show Profile
I know this is off post but was not the Enfield Allday used as the basis for the first Aston Martin?

Gordon
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ht1962

Netherlands
114 Posts

Posted - 25/02/2010 :  08:53:17  Show Profile
hello

no, this car was one of the first cars designed by A.C.Bertelli who was responsible for the superb Aston Martin 1.5 ltr ohc cars built between 1927 and 1935.
The first Aston Martin was designed much earlier(1914) ,the first prototype was build in 1920 by Lionel Martin

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Halbe Tjepkema

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Peter Green

United Kingdom
1682 Posts

Posted - 25/02/2010 :  10:15:44  Show Profile
Jay (Enfield Allday)

I am pleased that you have joined this Forum, your historical knowledge (not just Triple-M) will I am sure be of value to us.

Peter.
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George Eagle

United Kingdom
3237 Posts

Posted - 25/02/2010 :  11:08:32  Show Profile
The latest issue of the Octane Magazine carries an article on Miles Collier, it also contains a couple of photos, one taken in the 1950s, of the P type Leonides.

George Eagle
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Vitesse

United Kingdom
234 Posts

Posted - 21/03/2010 :  17:49:32  Show Profile
Seeing as this PB thread already exists ...

A friend in Belgium is seeking details of the PB used by Claude Bonneau at Le Mans in 1938 and 1939 and at Spa in 1938. According to Martin Krejci's usually reliable website it bore the (Belgian?) registration 304797, but it is sometimes described as an "MG PB Special" and some sources credit it with a non-standard 954cc engine. According to my friend's information it was owned by Jacques Swaters after WW2, by which time Krejci says its registration was possibly 3428H .

So, does this ring a bell with anybody? Does that engine size make sense? A modified trials car perhaps?

Edited by - Vitesse on 21/03/2010 17:55:51
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Colin Butchers

United Kingdom
1487 Posts

Posted - 22/03/2010 :  10:28:27  Show Profile
The Bonneau PB was owned and raced after the war by the famous motoring writer and racing driver Paul Frere and is described by him in his autobiography. I suspect that the odd engine size came about by over-boring the standard PB engine capacity of 939cc by a few thou. When competing in events such as Le Mans and Spa, it was necessary to be very accurate in declaring engine size as the officials were very likely to check the measurements, and a false declaration could result in instant disqualification, or even garotting in extreme cases !

Colin B.
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Vitesse

United Kingdom
234 Posts

Posted - 22/03/2010 :  14:14:13  Show Profile
Thanks for that! I'll pass it on to my friend.

BTW, which autobiography? "On the Starting Grid" or "My Life Full of Cars"?
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Colin Butchers

United Kingdom
1487 Posts

Posted - 23/03/2010 :  10:39:27  Show Profile
I didn't realise that Paul Frere wrote so many autobiographies ! The one I had in mind is "Starting Grid to Chequered Flag". I believe the PB is also mentioned in "Competition Driving" which also includes a couple of post war photographs.

Colin B.
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