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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02/11/2011 : 17:16:31
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OK, guys, I know this isn't an MG, but what is it? The photos date from 1937 and were taken in Switzerland apparently.
Can anyone identify what it is?
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Peter Green
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/11/2011 : 23:35:37
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Simon,
I will stick my neck out and say I think it is a Humber.
Peter. |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 06:12:25
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I think you might be right, Peter. A hunt for 1937 Humbers produced this saloon http://ucapusa.com/images/car_spotters_guide/europe/1937/Humber_Pullman.jpg
(I'm assuming it's not appropriate simply to paste a photo from another site but to give the link.).
But you'll see certain similarities of style, especially the style of the radiator surround. And interestingly the registration numbers are both DXT and only 41 digits apart. But XT is apparently a London registration so no obvious links to Humber but perhaps just the number range a Humber dealer used.
But interesting that it's a four door drophead and that the radiator surround is painted and not chromed.
Anyone else able to add to the detective work?
Simon |
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MGB
Netherlands
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6131 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2011 : 08:27:12
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I've just done as you suggest, Maurice. Let's see what they come up with.
Many thanks,
Simon |
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MGB
Netherlands
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BobRichards RIP
United Kingdom
238 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 08:39:45
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| I think it's a Hillman. |
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bahnisch
Australia
674 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 11:40:59
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| I, too, am inclined to think that it is a Hillman. Quite a rare beast, particularly here in Oz. They were made by Humbers and were virtually an economy model Humber. |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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David Allison
United Kingdom
665 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 15:22:21
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It is a Hillman 6 light drophead coupe.
They were quite a rare beast everywhere (not just in OZ) Barry.
Very similar to the Humber except with a smaller engine - I think these were a 20 hp and the Humber was a 40 hp.
That said I think the drop head version of the Humber is pretty rare too!
Incedentally the 6 light is reference to the number of windows - it was always a puzzle to me as a youngster that the cars seemed to have less than 6 lights at either end and more than 6 all told.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6131 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 18:14:30
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Originally posted by David Allison
It is a Hillman 6 light drophead coupe.
They were quite a rare beast everywhere
We'd already established it was a Hillman and it's obvious it's a drop head coupe, but I'm curious how it could also be a 6 light. Isn't that a saloon body style? I guess that would indeed make it a rare beast - a drop head saloon  |
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BobRichards RIP
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 19:08:53
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'Six light' is an expression which means that the car has six windows, i.e. three down each side. The front and rear windows dont count!
Riley cars were often referred to in that way because they made four light and six light versions of the same model, e.g. Kestrel. Armstrong Siddeley also, e.g. the four light and six light Sapphire. |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6131 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 19:22:55
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| Exactly, Bob, which makes it kinda hard to have a six light drop head coupe! |
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Mike Allison
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/11/2011 : 09:42:47
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Gentlemen,
The car IS a Hillman, and I think you will find it was called a "15HP Tourer". Where I used to have my workshop, my landlord there actually had a similar car.
The Rootes Group was formed by William Rootes just pre-war, and brought together the (finacially struggling) Hillman, Humber, Sunbeam and Talbot Companies. From around 1937 all four "companies" were building badge-engineered versions of the same car, with slightly different bodywork. After the war, the Singer Company was added to the fold.
The Hillman 15 was a similar car to the Humber Hawk of the period mechanically, powered by a large capacity side valve engine.
The entire Rootes Group is now part of the Peugeot Group or was when I last checked! But then I am primarily interested in MG!
Best wishes,
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MGB
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6131 Posts |
Posted - 28/11/2011 : 10:36:33
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Thanks, Maurice. I had checked back to that site a few times but hadn't seen anything but the comments there now confirm what Bob Richards had suggested, i.e. that it is a Hillman, and as I subsequently discovered it's a Hillman Hawk (Humber seemingly didn't use the Hawk name until after WWII) and not a six light nor a 15.
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