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Fergus
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07/01/2012 : 15:35:00
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I am having a lot of trouble discovering the true identity of my M type, I have pressed on with with the restoration but would like to get some other opinions on the chassis number as, although it has been accepted as an M type, I would like to know the exact identity and any history if it has any that is known. Would it be a good idea to post a photo of the dumb iron on this forum or not? I really dont know how else to work out what it really is. Any help would be gratefully received.
Fergus
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greg
United Kingdom
833 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2012 : 15:45:27
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| It could be a morris minor chassis they are very similar is the handbrake cross shaft in the correct place I believe on a Morris chassis you need to move it back a few inches that's the difference between the 2 chassis. There's a person called robin hamlet he should tell you a lot more about it as he has information about all mmm mg cars what left the factory. There are lots of m types built on morris minor chassis. |
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Fergus
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2012 : 15:51:00
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Greg,
It's clear that it is an M type as it has all the early M type features, aluminium footbrake bracket, shortened outriggers, M type wing mounting brackets, M type front member positioning, and the correct steering column mounting. The chassis had a reasonable amount of rust on it and it was clear that it had not been modified recently to M type specification. Robin has had a look but not come up with anything except that it is most definitely an original early '29 M type.
Cheers
Fergus
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greg
United Kingdom
833 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2012 : 15:53:40
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| That's good I bought a m type found out it was then on a Morris chassis then that was one of the reasons I got rid off it. |
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3677 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2012 : 18:39:58
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Fergus
I suggets you might like to contact Robin Hamblett who is the Registrar of the Triple-M Register for guidance. He may also possess info about the past history of your particular car. His details are in the contacts section of this website (accessible from the home page).
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3101 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2012 : 20:31:39
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How can you tell that it is most definitely an original early '29 M type? Since the aluminium footbrake bracket was introduced from late 1929 on,it could be a later chassis. Early cars had the footbrake mounted on the side of the gearbox and of course a transnmission brake.
Are the headlamp supports present?
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Fergus
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2012 : 20:44:20
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sorry what I meant was that it was early and made in 29, not nececcerily early 29. It also did not have the brackets for the cable brakes, but instead the stump of a front cycle wing mounting bracket, the same as on the photo of RX 5917, where this bracket would normally be. I could be mistaken about it being '29 but this is what Bob Clare advised me on account of the features that I mentioned. Please excuse my lack of knowledge as I am only seventeen and very new to this game. And no, there are no headlamp supports present.
Fergus
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Blue M
United Kingdom
1472 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2012 : 21:31:00
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| Fergus can you make out any numbers on the off-side dumb-iron? They should be fairly big (3/16... 1/4 inch or so. |
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Fergus
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2012 : 23:54:32
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I think I can make them out, but the number that it seems to be is already registered. The number looks like _49o.
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TomDrewett
United Kingdom
277 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 09:10:48
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| Fergus, a paper rubbing may allow you to get a clearer image of the numbers on the dumb iron. |
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davies
United Kingdom
699 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 09:38:07
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| Check out the " metallurgy to reveal chassis numbers" in the archive section. Regards Rich |
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AFM781
United Kingdom
194 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 17:42:58
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Fergus,
Don't worry we were all new to the game at some stage, its good that there is someone of your age who is interested and isn't an Austin 7 man!
55+ years ago I first encountered an M type, I have two and am still learning. Why not register to use the Vintage Morris Register site? Better still join the VMR and put 21 July 2012 in your diary to attend VMR Pre-war Prescott there will be Ms and M/M there. Also you can get a chance of driving (untimed) up the hill. On this site you will find a lot of people with M type and M/M experience, and photographs of differing features.
I note your posting of wanting a 12/12 body, why do you want this when you are not sure of the chassis provenance? Poor 12/12 replicas to my mind always look "wrong" whereas a standard boat back looks reasonable even with one or two faults. The boat back is not too hard to make if you have some basic woodworking skills. Also there are more bits about for B/Bs.
Where are you located? There may well be someone local to you who can offer help, advice, encouragement etc.
Stick at it you will get there in the end.
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Fergus
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 20:14:30
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The only reason I want a 12/12 body is I think the cut down doors look good, and if I have no particular history that I can follow then I thought I may as well go with what I think looks best. One thing that I am wondering about is the wing mounting that I found on the chassis, it is located where the front cable brake bracket normally bolts to the chassis and looks like it would fit to wings as shown on the pictures of RX 5917, would anyone be able to tell me whether these kind of wings were standard and if so what year they would be standard to? I can post an image of the bracket if I can find it in the box of mystery bits.
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Blue M
United Kingdom
1472 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 20:33:50
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| Fergus, the wing mounting sounds like the standard item. The wings on RX5917 are just chopped down standard wings and normal for 1929/30 early 1931(?). You would think parts for a 12/12 should be harder to get than for standard cars, but in fact such things as wings are much, much cheaper for 12/12s. With a standard body theres nothing to stop you lowering the doors - owners have been doing it for the last 80 years! There seem to be very few difference between the two bodies, but Garry Waiting is the man to talk to. |
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Fergus
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 21:08:16
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| Thanks Ian, would you be able to give me his contact details? |
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AFM781
United Kingdom
194 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2012 : 21:33:07
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Fergus
Sorry, earlier posting should have read Vintage Minor Register forum.
Just AD catching up! |
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