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spitfire
United Kingdom
371 Posts |
 Posted - 19/01/2012 : 04:19:12
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Points taken, Bob and Lew.
Confidentiality is a salient issue, but would not a visual resource on the care of these cars, and specialists who cater for this area not be a boon. For example...Hoods and frames, J2. As there are variants. Mine was sold on, before I got it. Not very helpful when I want to USE the car. It would be good to know a "first port of call" for yhis part of the car. I've chased up hood makers in databases, found one local. They deal soley in braking! |
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Peter Green
United Kingdom
1682 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 14:20:56
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I was interested to read Gideon’s posting and to see details of his J-type website.
Whilst I and the Triple-M Committee applaud any initiatives that help to further the interests of Triple-M enthusiasts I feel it is worth stating one of the fundamental duties of the Triple-M Register. This is to maintain a Register – the definitive register - of all known Triple-M cars, recording their history and other relevant information. This practice, which has been ongoing for more than 50 years, has served Triple-M owners well. The Register is kept as up to date as possible and is published annually but we do depend to a large extent on owners telling us of any change of ownership. Copies of the Register Listing can be purchased from the Register library – details can be found elsewhere on this website.
Some of the other aims of the Register are:-
To encourage the continuing use of Triple-M cars both on the road and in competition;
To organise and assist others in organising competitive and social events;
To provide technical advice, and encourage the exchange of spare parts;
To make available copies of original Triple-M literature and other material from a library;
To publish a bi-monthly Bulletin;
To publish an annual Year Book;
To maintain a web-site dedicated to Triple-M matters.
For those who don’t already know, the Triple-M Register is a section of the M G Car Club which was founded in 1930. We are a flexible organisation and anyone who has a Triple-M car is actively encouraged to record details of their car and its ownership with the Register regardless of whether or not they are members of the M G Car Club.
However much we may dislike it, the constraints of the British legal system and probably other overseas jurisdictions as well, limit the freedom with which we can disclose personal information about individual car owners, such as their addresses. The publicly available printed Register Listing therefore does not contain this information. This is not only for legal reasons but also to help preserve the security of members’ cars, which these days are highly valuable!
However our Registrar, Robin Hamblett, and Secretary, George Eagle, are willing and able to put owners in touch with each other if there is a valid reason for doing so, for example where they live in a similar locality or have similar cars. What we cannot do is to broadcast this sort of information without the consent of the individuals concerned.
The recent postings by Bob Clare, Lew Palmer and others are a good indication of the understanding that exists at home and abroad of these objectives.
I think it is fair to say that anything that the J type Register is proposing to do can be incorporated into the Triple-M Register website if it is the wish of our members. By members I mean Triple-M owners not MGCC members. We have stated on several occasions that our website is partly dependent on members giving us information for inclusion on it and at times this is not forthcoming. For example, we have invited every Triple-M car owner, on more than one occasion, to submit a picture of their car to be placed on our ‘Members Cars’ page, there are only 62 pictures on the J2 page out of over 800 J2’s listed on our Register. What does that tell you? Regarding ‘Spitfire’s’ wish to know the correct routing of cables and have details of a J2 hood and frame, and indeed anyone else’s requests for information, I can guarantee that if the question is asked on the Forum an answer will usually be forthcoming within 24 hours.
I am making this posting following consultations with the Register Committee and I hope it will be helpful as a reminder of the aims and purposes of the Triple-M Register and that all concerned will continue to play their part in fostering its ongoing success and usefulness to us all.
Finally, I can assure everyone that the Register Committee is willing to consider any changes/additions to our website that members might suggest, so let’s have your suggestions.
Peter Green
Chairman, Triple-M Register
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greg
United Kingdom
833 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 14:59:16
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i like the mmm register especielly this forum. instead of different websites it can all be link in to this site. with different people in charge of each model so its not too much for one person to look after. it could look like this:
HOME
NEWS
EVENTS
CHAMPIONSHIP
PITCHURES
M TYPE
J TYPE
D TYPE
F TYPE
P TYPE
ETC
can everyone see what im getting at?
i think this will be good. if the d type and f type people have there sites there we will be all one big family again. what does everyone think to that? thabnkyou greg
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greg
United Kingdom
833 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 15:01:44
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| the bit in capitals will be the home page of our mmm site. i have not included everything its a rough example. |
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 15:58:11
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I love it, Greg! I suppose Mr More intended his Utopia as satire though and not as something that could actually work?!
So, here goes nothing: We could further divide each type into subjects such as technical articles, technical pictures, members' cars, specific car's histories, type related news, etc. and as main topics perhaps even include 'Australia', 'USA' and 'Europe', etc. and have it all incorporated. We could have reps per type and per country and have the webmasters of the already existent websites work from within this one. Plenty of ideas, now for the execution!
Cheers,
Cat
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Gideon
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 17:45:20
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Well, to put minds at rest.... www.MGJTYPE.COM does not reveal any registry information "to the public". A number of parts of the site are password protected and no data is stored on the site anyhow. Thus, preserving the authenticity of vehicles is just as important there as it is here. The only information that is distributed is to this very club. Any new J type discoveries are reported to MMM, thus ensuring that both are up-to-date. Please remember, www.MGJTYPE.COM has not been put together to take anything away from this site. In fact the registry page SPECIFICALLY ASKS whether the vehicle being registered is currently known to the MMM.
WWW.MGJTYPE.COM exists to service the deisre of some to have a site that is dedicated solely to the J Type. I find it bewildering that some members of this forum do not recognise that the J type warrants a site dedicated to it, with links into this site, just like so many other models do.
This is a fantastic site and club for Pre-War MG's and long may it last and flourish..... however please don't be so narrow minded as to think that nothing should exist outside this domain to cater to the specific needs of specific members. Just as there is more than one MG gathering per year, at more than one location, visited by more than one model type, serviced by more than one vendor, where one can buy more than one book from more than one author and be reported on in more than one newspaper......so should there be more than one website and a website that attracts the attention of J Type owners who might (Heaven fobid) have never heard of the Triple M in the first place and might just end up here via www.MGJTYPE.COM
Why not simply embrace the idea of the extra resource? It is not a threat to this site! It is a benefit to this site, to this hobby and to you, the J Type owner and enthusiast! The site was set-up by a member of THIS club, who finds this site to be invaluable, but recognised that there was a need for a site totally dedicated to the J type. It is a free resource, paid for out of my own pocket to benefit other owners of J1, J2, J3 and J4 MG's. The site has already had numerous vehicles registered, which just goes to show that others feel the same way. I guarantee you one thing....all those commenting here that there should just be one site for all......if you look at the history of your website visits, you'll find that you have visited more than just the Triple M site in the past..... how happy would you be if none of those other sites had ever existed?
So please, be open minded about this, the beauty of the internet is that you are allowed to visit more than one URL ..... and when a fellow enthusiast tries to help out...... embrace it. Registering your J Type on www.MGJTYPE.COM and contributing to the site, as well as being registered here, is not being disloyal. So please feel free to visit the site and participate.
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greg
United Kingdom
833 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 18:21:42
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| Gideon I think your site is good. If you look at what I put above, when you click on j type it should come up with your website then it is a part of our forum which you control. Then everyone is happy. if the d type and f type did the same thing and other people did this for other models like m p l n k etc then our mmm website will be the best vintage car websites in the world better than Riley Austin etc |
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 21:20:28
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Hi Gideon,
Mmm, not too sure if I like the narrow minded bit ... 
I have nothing against your website, the design looks nice and content could well be worth it, and I surely don't envy you the fun you get from managing your own website, but I, for one, am just looking for a way to keep (my) life as simple as I can. In my view this can partly be brought about by 'having to' visit just the one website every day instead of 6 or 7 different ones, hence my preference for one website incorporating all info on Triple-M M.G.s. I think the internet can indeed get cluttered and I don't think people in general like it if they get 'linked' to different sites constantly, making you drift from where you started and perhaps wanted to stay a little longer.
Cheers,
Cat
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kimber
United Kingdom
1529 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 22:00:03
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To me, the MG CC has always been a part of Triple-M history. It was started by Triple M owners in-period.
The Triple M Register was subsequently formed due to the foresight of a relatively small group of individuals who recognised that all ohc pre-war MGs, not just the more exotic ones, justified their own proper 'home' at a time when some people were literally still throwing these cars away.
The fact that the Register has expanded to its present size is a massive credit to those founder members who were spot-on with their thinking.
A lot of people have put a great deal of effort in over the years to build the Register into what it is today. The fantastic Yearbook, Infoletter, events and of course this much-appreciated, constantly developing website which is in its relative infancy.
I think any further diversification of Triple-M data is unecessary and should be thought about very carefully particularly if it does not receive the 'blessing' of the Register Committee. I have no idea what the official line is on the suggestion of publishing a separate J2 or any other Triple-M related Register, but my personal view is that I would prefer to see anything along those lines handled within the control of The Register.
Have the Committee been consulted on this and how do they feel about it?
I know its a free world and all that, but I do think the views of the Triple M Register committee should not overlooked.
Whilst I applaud the initiative and effort, I would prefer there to have been at least some consultation.
Purely my personal opinion.
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spitfire
United Kingdom
371 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2012 : 23:00:31
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I'm interested how some bare bones of "a new order" (blimey, that sounds ominous!) is being suggested.
Peter Green stating, legality and security.
I don't think I, nor anyone else flagged up publicising any car/owners whereabouts anymore than their listed town of residence.
It would simply be a rejig to include model(s) with owner.
As a designer I have seen the WWW radically reorganise how we communicate.
The matter that I own a car that was rolled off the production line on March 14th 1933, doesn't influence that, other than the wealth of information that could be accessed ON LINE.
MGs were a dominant export motor car.
I would argue that their "exotic" status abroad produces absolute gems of cars.
We have a brilliant, on the ball..Is he American?? Nick Feakes who has a grasp of blasting info across the globe within minutes.
The database (some people seem to dislike the word) that The Club has been furnished with, must be impressive. As a body of work, unrivalled.
It deals with the workings, failings and upkeep of a motor car, that we all, as a body of drivers, own... From Grenoble to Kobi, Fremantle and Mendon, Illonois.. Maybe, Stratford on Avon! We all have acquired our own "take" on what went before.
I notice, as a designer, there is a mass of published work, pertinent, as they were made, information that has been carried over as near photocopy (70s) quality.
Some of that could be storyboarded with photographs, into a high resolution resource.
All it would take is with someone, In the Know, to digitally photograph their car in sequence with the original factsheet.
A J type Photoshop
A P type Photoshop
An M type... With a little enthusiasm (link courtesy of the **** District Club.. Historic Spares Ltd) you could have a nice, worldwide digital pool of information.
It would, with a meagre amount of effort,showcase The Club as proud custodians of the MMM cars.
When "I" stated "Register", it was quoted to me as Mike Hawke's term.
I expressed that as being a bough of the MMM tree.
I feel another J2 website might be better to have another name, as the depth of content and wealth of confidential information, cared for by the MGCC, will NOT be at hand.
It may be a Listing, but simply doesn't possess the historical detail.
I fear we will all be running at odds with each other. Losing track of a simple proposal...
To have a Type sub division, and a way of e mailing fellow type owners, within striking distance.
(They can opt out of this, just as many state - Error, no location offered)
I don't think this points towards a Police State.
I think there are a few simple ideas that can streamline a body of information.
Regards to you all
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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
942 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2012 : 10:09:19
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| Surely the simple question is "what do the J owners want"? If they want an independent offshore site with its own flavour, then they will vote with their mice. If they perfer an embedded site in the MMM site, then say so and work with the MMM committee to bring it forward. I for one would prefer the latter, but if it doesn't happen, then the offshore site will almost certainly flourish to the long term detriment of both, I fear. |
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Peter Green
United Kingdom
1682 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2012 : 10:25:31
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Kimber,
The Committee’s view, along with many other Triple-M owners is that there should be ONE website that Triple-M enthusiasts ‘home in on’. For this reason, as previously mentioned, the Committee are willing to alter or add to our website in line with members wishes and this could include sections for each model, we would of course have to seek volunteers to run each section – perhaps Gideon would consider running the J type section for us.
You ask if the Committee were consulted about the formation of the ‘J type Register’, we were not, but we became aware of its impending formation 2/3 weeks ago.
Peter
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2542 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2012 : 12:25:26
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Peter,
Might not a "half-way house" be that, where relevant, the title of a post includes the model concerned. I tend to read all posts but home in particularly on anything labelled P or indeed N as having some similarities. Many people do so head their posts, but I think not all.
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Nick Feakes
USA
3376 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2012 : 12:29:12
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Hi Gary
No, he's a Brit living in the US
Nick
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Bruce Sutherland
United Kingdom
1565 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2012 : 12:36:53
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I spent my entire career as an automotive design and development engineer working under the maxim “Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble”, another was “to take the best which exists and improve it”.
In my humble opinion, I suggest that what was good enough for Sir Henry Royce ought to suffice for the on-going development of improvements to the existing Triple-M website – id est. encourage new ideas but satisfy them within the existing website framework – there’s so much common across the various Triple-M model types that I can’t think it makes much sense to do otherwise.
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