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Wyn Lewis
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 21/05/2012 : 15:33:05
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Well how about that then? no MOTs required after mid November on pre 1960 cars. Or did I hear wrong?
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/05/2012 : 15:59:41
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Indeed this is true http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18146326
Not good news, I reckon, as it's potentially the thin end of the wedge to start to impose restrictions on older cars. And the insurance companies must be rubbing their hands with glee at another 'justification' to increase their prices. |
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Martin Warner
United Kingdom
85 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 16:05:52
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| My MGA Twin Cam was registered on 1st January 1960! I suppose that means I am screwed. |
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3683 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 16:21:51
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I agree wih Simon. Not all owners of pre-1960s cars are necessarily as maintenance-savvy as they imagine themselves to be!
Dick Morbey
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bigtony12461
United Kingdom
103 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 16:44:35
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I'll change that slightly, Dick.
I'm not as maintenance savvy as I'd like to be!
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JMH
United Kingdom
915 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 18:10:39
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So, this Friday will be the last time I dread giving the key to someone else then? I must say, not having to put my gearbox in the hands of someone who's not necessarily MMM friendly is a bit of a relief!
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spitfire
United Kingdom
371 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 18:14:43
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You don't get anything for nothing. I cannot believe the authorities want cable braked, unMOTed cars on the road because "they are luvverly."
The calm before the storm.
Start looking out for car trailers on Ebay. They are going to double in price! |
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Bob Stringfield
United Kingdom
854 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 19:22:49
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Having once had an opinionated clot of a newly-qualified MOT man almost put the PA into the garage pit - 'How should I know it's that narrow?' - I am not sorry to see the last of these problems.
I imagine that the mileage done by our sort of cars is, statistically, totally insignificant. However, the system that was in use before the MOT, where an 'Engineer's Report' is required by one's insurance company, may well return.
It is nothing to do with removing 'red-tape'; merely the realisation that none of our cars will pass the next version of the MOT, according to my present garage.
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kimber
United Kingdom
1529 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 20:24:21
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All very well until somebody has a big accident, the third party is badly hurt and the insurers decide not to pay out because the car was found to be not roadworthy.
Ironic really, because its exactly this group of vehicles which the MOT was designed to weed out when it was first introduced in the early 1960s and indeed many thousands of them were unable to pass it.
I think it is essentially bad news for us and I don't think we've heard the last of it by a long way.
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leafrancis14
United Kingdom
323 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 20:37:03
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The chap that has MOT'd my Leaf for the last 20 years is excellent and there have been a couple of occasions when I have been extremely grateful to him for finding faults that I hadn't discovered myself.
I'll still be having both my cars professionally 'second checked' at a garage every year for safety's sake.
It's certainly a step on the way to restricting the use of old cars (even if that's not currently the intention) and I also agree that the insurance industry will be laughing all the way to the bank.
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spitfire
United Kingdom
371 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 20:52:33
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I cannot see an insurance company, like Las Vegas casinos, run on statistically "making" a buck.. wanting to insure an eighty year old car with no MOT.
Can you imagine trying to get a cover note to drive home an "untested" 1930s car!
The first thing I did after I bought the J2 (Three months into it's new MOT)was get it down my friends MOT station.
It would have failed on a multitude of points.
Rear brakes totally ineffective. Steering, some of it undone. Lights. I bought this from an MMM specialist as being their "company runabout."
What initially sounds a bonus (!?)just sounds Gaga.
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Barry Walker
United Kingdom
232 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2012 : 22:58:59
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Dear All.
I wish to make it quite clear that the 'MMM SPECIALIST' that 'Spitfire' purchased his car from was not us.
Our car side of the busuiness has a reputation for selling some of the finest MGs on offer in the UK, and as one of the few dealers that work on the cars we sell to put them into the condition I know to be right from both a working and original perspective, I do not want to be associated with the type of totally unoriginal car that 'Spitfire' purchased. Whilst he does not mention me, there are not many 'MMM Specialist car dealers' and I want to make it clear that the vehicle referred to is not one that Barry Walker has owned or sold.
Yours, Barry Walker MGs. |
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bahnisch
Australia
674 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 01:54:14
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| In South Australia we have had a "concessional" taxing (in Oz we call it registration) system for "older" cars for many years. The onus on recognised clubs is to ensure that the cars are over 30 years old (the first requirement) and are original (ie not "modified" with bigger engines, wheels, etc). No roadworthy inspection or test is involved (nor has this State ever had an MOT or its equivalent). The nominated club representatives must certify that the car qualifies for concessional registration and the registration fee is approximately one-third of the normal cost (currently about $145, I think, which includes personal injury insurance). We are allowed to use our cars up to 90 days per year and we have a log book to keep track of this. I think that other States may be slowly falling into line. Despite the early "doomsayers" the system seems to work quite well and the authorities seem quite happy to collect the money for little (if any) outlay, nor do most of us use our cars for anything like the 90 days! The nominated club reps take their responsibilities very seriously and, after the initial settling-in period, I am not aware of any irregularities. |
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spitfire
United Kingdom
371 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 05:15:18
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Dear all. As Barry Walker points out, I didn't get my car from him. Barry knows where I sourced it. I don't think I ever suggested I bought it from him.
The comments I posted relate to the wisdom of removing MOT tests, where another "authority" can assess a vehicles roadworthiness.
Another pair of eyes can be of help (If only to stop the PA from being driven off of the ramp )
In a time where EEC led Health and Safety laws encompass more and more as an Individuals Responsibility, I would be interested to see where the unMOTed vintage owner ends up.
I think we'll probably need MOTs on our cars to get decent insurance.
No issues with Barry and the gorgeous cars that he had, is, and will, be associated with |
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leckstein
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 12:14:30
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In the States, our experience is so different. In New Jersey, any vehicle over 25 years old can receive "Historic" registration. This removes the requirement to have the car inspected, but limits its use to non "everyday use". There are a number of special insurance companies that seek out older cars with historic registrations, and contrary to what is feared in the UK, the insurance costs are a small fraction of what an everyday car costs to insure. You are usually limited to 2500 miles a year, but they will waive that for a special event. I really doubt that this system increases the accident rate, and I am glad that my old MGs do not have to go through a government run inspection process.
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Richard Hardy
United Kingdom
2165 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2012 : 19:01:21
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This was the brainchild of an idiot MP in East Yorkshire. He had been told enough times that what he was proposing was a nail in the coffin for old cars and it is worrying such people have such influence. I
I agree, insurance companies are going to rack up the premiums, there will undoubtedly be accidents and vintage cars will start to be restricted. A very bad day for us
Rich
Vintage MG Parts |
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