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PreWarMG
Australia
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 Posted - 21/12/2012 : 09:28:04
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Going to the auction block in January:-
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20582/lot/358/
I have no interest in the car or the auction house, but it could fit in my Xmas Stocking.
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/12/2012 : 11:09:31
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I believe this is the car which was rebuilt after a fire? If it is the car then I understand the body was rebuilt using an aluminium frame?
Looks a bit over restored with those chromed wheels!
George
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PreWarMG
Australia
437 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2012 : 12:10:50
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Borrani no less too - and at great expense - but why ?.
Would the trafficator switch on the dash centre be original too ?.
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/12/2012 : 12:12:29
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And the front wing seems to have lost some of the metalwork at the lower end - the chassis and the shiny fittings thereon seem rather exposed!
Dick Morbey
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PreWarMG
Australia
437 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2012 : 12:14:38
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There was a thread on this forum back in 2010 discussing the designer of the Airline Coupe - one Henry W Allingham. The research seems to have stalled - does anyone have any further information on this chap since 2010 ?.
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3682 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2012 : 14:25:18
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Tony
If you are a subscriber to the Bulletin (the Dec 2012 issue of which may still be en route to Australia?) you'll see an article by Lew Palmer on this very subject!
Dick Morbey
PA/PB 0743
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LewPalmer
USA
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Posted - 21/12/2012 : 15:20:22
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I'm afraid this piece of tin has become the darling of the collector/auction house circuit. Too bad, as when in the hands of Dave Lawley, it was a nice unpretentious car. And yes, it is built on an aluminum tube body frame after a 1976 fire while owned by Reed Yates. There were two bodies built at the same time, one of which was up for sale last year in the UK.
Lew Palmer
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spitfire
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/12/2012 : 16:26:20
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HENRY W. ALLINGHAM. (Not Henry Allingham, war veteran/oldest man etc.)
1921.Was a founder and Sales Manager of Chalmer and Hoyer.
They dealt with producing cost effective, volume sales of car bodies to companies.
One factory was at Poole, Dorset.
MORRIS was their largest client. They built two enclosed Morris Oxfords for the Morris Mo.Co.
ALLINGHAM spent some time studying how to assemble a cellulose paint spraying plant in the USA.
A new manner of painting.
1925. Morris had been establishing their pressed steel plant. This excluded Allingham's company of its lifeblood. They did some work for bus construction but had to restructure.
The company became Chalmer and HoyAL (the AL for Allingham)
They built...Woleseley Hornets, Austin 7, and MGs.
1931. Chalmer and Hoyal was sold to John Charles & Co.
1931. H W Allingham started
ALLINGHAM DESIGN of 10 Stratford Place, London NW1.
They designed...Vauxhall- Airline Coupe on Light 6 and DX chassis. 27hp Coupe de Ville.
For Rover, the 6 Drophead.
For MG, The MG Allingham coupe, built by Whittingham & Mitchell.
MG P and N Airlines, built by Carbodies.
1934. Allingham formed VEHICLE DEVELOPMENTS- With AMBI BUDD, Berlin,Germany.
AMBI (Arthur Mueller Building and Industrial)On the site of the Jaray Rumpler "aerodynamic car" factory.(Proper aerodynamic- designed by windtunnel and NOT AIRLINE, which is a STYLING EXERCISE.
AND BUDD... American Edward G Budd Manufacturing Co.
This was the company that INTRODUCED ALL STEEL car body manufacture to Germany.They produced pressed steel door posts for drophead coupes...
Used on Austin 12, Ford, Morris, Vauxhall and Woleseley.
AMBI BUDD were involved with setting up Opel, Brandenburg and Ford, Cologne /Koln. Also alot of German military vehicles post 1936. I presume they were "busy." After the war the factory lay on the Soviet side and had a new future.
OF THE OTHER HENRY ALLINGHAM-
An engineer at Thorns, Vickers General Motors and HJM car body builders.
In 1934 he started designing car bodies for Ford at Dagenham, when 38 years old. He worked there until his retiement in 1960. |
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PreWarMG
Australia
437 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2012 : 20:15:10
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Thanks Everyone, I must check my subscription - I can't recall.
Work is over for this year, so time available for MG's again.
Seasons Greetings
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RYates
USA
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Posted - 22/12/2012 : 13:42:55
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| No it is NOT built an an aluminium frame, tubular or otherwise. No such modern material as that. Good, old fashioned angle iron. Made by Peele's of Kingston (upon Thames) in '78/'79. Peter Warne was having a P type Airline body made up (wonder what became of that?) and kindly offered to organize another one for me. Choice of angle iron or ash. The ash cost twice as much, so I opted for iron. Regretted it from the start, which is why I eventually sold the car to Dave. Artist that he is, he did a smashing job with the restoration. |
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gordclark
Canada
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Posted - 24/12/2012 : 03:51:07
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I know Dave Lawley quite well. He rearely comes on to this forum, but he has offered his comments, as follows:-
" ... As for the aluminum frame, I see Read Yates has described what he ordered, when he had the tub built. I will add that the tub he ordered was in basic form and required very much re-working. While the basic angle iron framework was kept I added much wood where needed for such things as to fasten upholstery and door and window fittings. There was also a lot of detail metalwork needed to make the aluminum coach panels and door skins have proper fit and finish.
I have no idea why the extra non period signal switch was added as the original individual trafficator switches were functional. Also the addition of hydraulic brakes was unnecessary because the original cable brakes were adequate. The Borani chrome wheels addition was nothing more than unnecessary 'tarting-up' which in my opinion detracts from the period design. I will not comment on the choice of colour".
Dave has authorzed me to publish this.
Gord Clark
Rockburn, Qué.
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gordclark
Canada
170 Posts |
Posted - 24/12/2012 : 03:57:35
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I should clarify why I got involved in this. I alerted Dave to the posted item, in the course of questioning him about the authenticity of adding Borrani wheels. His reply is what he authorized me to post.
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spitfire
United Kingdom
371 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2013 : 17:37:42
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| Dave Lawley, who provided some of the illustrations for The (excellent) Kimber Centenary Book, I presume. |
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PreWarMG
Australia
437 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2013 : 09:22:52
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Sold for $186,500 USD inc, Premium.
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LewPalmer
USA
3251 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2013 : 14:25:10
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Sold to whom? Do we know?
Lew Palmer
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PreWarMG
Australia
437 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2013 : 20:54:25
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Certainly not me - all I know I found on the Bonhams Website.
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