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Peter Dowson
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07/08/2013 : 11:02:54
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During an idle moment, I was wondering why the J cars are J1, J2 etc, but you get PA and PB (and also TA etc).
I assume it is because the various J cars were available at the same time, whereas the PB succeeded the PA. Is this the case?
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3677 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 14:58:27
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I think you will find that until the PB was unveiled, what we now know as the PA was simply a P
Dick Morbey
PA/PB 0743
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
868 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 17:45:27
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But still a good question - you would have expected the 4 seat P to be a P1, two seat to be a P2! With respect to the second letter for a revised version of the car, that evidently followed on through the T-types, until the TD, anyway, so that makes sense.
Graham
"I'd rather be happy than right anyday" Slartybartfast, Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
Edited by - MaGic_GV on 07/08/2013 17:53:33 |
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Robin Hamblett
United Kingdom
534 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 19:16:38
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Is this where we talk about K types? K1, K2, K3 and KN.
I've wondered about this one since taking over the registrar's role. Perhaps Mike Alison knows more about this one.
Regards
Robin
J2 J3666 & J3 3764 |
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
868 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 19:25:54
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I always understood that the KN is a K with an N engine. Can't recall now where I got this from though.
Graham
"I'd rather be happy than right anyday" Slartybartfast, Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
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Bob Stringfield
United Kingdom
854 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 20:17:26
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Initially, the 'PA" was termed P.1 and P.2 for four- and two-seater by at least one main dealer as late as 1936.
My O/S chassis knuckle is stamped 'P 603' though the record card has 'PA-603'. Do later cars have PA or PB and, if so, when was the change?
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Cymber
United Kingdom
966 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 20:38:35
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My spring 1935 PA is stamped P2032.
Maurice Blakey. |
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rodb
New Zealand
260 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 21:15:41
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Having just read Mike Allison's July Safety fast's fascinating piece on Jacko, looking forward now to part 2, one would assume Mike could answer the questions. I always wondered why the R type was known as the RA. I thought the TA was originally known as just T?
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ags
United Kingdom
275 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 21:46:17
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Hi Peter,
My car certainly has PB stamped on the chassis knuckle. However since it was among the last hundred or so of MMM chassis this tells you little about the changeover point.
John Thornley mentions this change on p86 of "Maintaining The Breed" but in little detail as he says it is, "a long and boring story". He does confirm what we all believe that the PA was the first to have the letter nomenclature and that the factory intention seems to have been that, "each new model automatically took the suffix A in anticipation of subsequent variations". As has been pointed out in this thread not all dealers, journalists or advertisers necessarily picked it up at the same time.
More technical ramblings from
Andrew Smith MMM571
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Robin Hamblett
United Kingdom
534 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 21:47:07
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Register records of P type chassis stampings indicate that all PA's are only stamped with a P but all PB's are stamped PB.
Regards
Robin
J2 J3666 & J3 3764 |
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
3238 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 22:03:07
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And my ex NB, with a late number, is simply stamped N0960!
At least the L types followed the Js with L1 and L2.
George
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John James
United Kingdom
963 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2013 : 23:09:28
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Confirming Rod's reference to the TA, yes it was known as the Series 'T' (see attached UM advert at the launch). The Instruction Manual and Parts List both referred to the Series 'T'. It became the TA when the TB was introduced in 1939.
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leckstein
USA
411 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 04:13:24
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Well, one can not assume that cars were just a single letter until the "B" car emerged making the earlier cars "A" . There was the SA, no SB, WA no WB, VA no VB. so PA before a PB?
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tonym
United Kingdom
653 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2013 : 17:27:58
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Mike
There may very well have been a SB, VB or WB if it wasn't for the intervention of that nasty Second World War thing!
Regards
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PreWarMG
Australia
427 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2013 : 03:02:57
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While the T-Series marketing did not refer to "TA" just "T-Series", the ID plate and the chassis stamping are clearly marked TA on car 0355. I'm happy to post photos if anyone needs them.
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Mike Allison
United Kingdom
196 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2013 : 14:17:06
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Sorry I missed this one.
Yes the P-two-seater was originally called the "P2" and the four-seater was known as the "P1" around the Factory, but oddly when the N-type was introduced about the same time it was straightaway known as the "NA"! There is no definite answer to the question, but as the designations we now know were adopted by the Factory by mid-1934, these should be adhered to.
The ND was originally called "NK" around the Factory, but became "ND" after the adoption of NA as the model type, and about the time of the introduction of the KN Saloon. The NE model became standard after the 1934 TT, and stood for "N-experimental". the cars having been built by Jacko's Experimental Department. When the Q-type was introduced, it was always the "QA" model, so it seems likely that there was a change in policy at the start of 1934.
Other than this conjecture, I can offer no explanation.
Hope to see some of you in Wales shortly,
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