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MG Perth
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 Posted - 11/04/2014 : 04:17:33
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Hi All,
Does anyone have a picture of Eddie Hall racing the K3 at the Craigantlet hillclimb in 1933?
The reason I am asking is that I have a contradictory reference to the event. The accepted view is that it was the Rubin/Birkin K3002 JB1474 which he raced. In the MG magazine of November 1933 it says that he used the factory's reserve car for the TT. However, F Wilson McComb wrote a letter in 1960 after he saw the factory records and said that Eddie Hall was charged a preparation fee to get the Eyston.Lurani K3003 ready for the hillclimb. These K3 factory records are no longer available so there is no way to verify the last reference. They could also have charged it to the Nuvolari car as Sir William Morris as he was paying the bill for that one.
Regds
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Wiessmann
Germany
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Posted - 11/04/2014 : 06:26:06
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The picture in 'The light Car', 21/9/33, p. 423, shows Reg. No. AGO 506 which makes it K3006, though the car does not really look like a supercharged race car..
Regards, Karl
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/04/2014 : 06:40:53
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Graeme,
Here's the entry list for Craigantlet in 1933. You'll see that the Magnette that Eddie Hall drove was entered by Victor Ltd. the MG distributors in Northern Ireland, and was originally to be driven by Victor Ferguson, proprietor of Victor Ltd and brother of Harry Ferguson.
Simon J
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MG Perth
Australia
38 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2014 : 06:46:14
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Hi Karl
Yes, Mike Allison said in his book that Cecil Kimber was only able to provide his K1 tourer and the services of a mechanic which turned out to be 'Jacko'. It is doesn't look like this is the car that set the unlimited class record on the day! K3006 makes sense. The contradiction is the statement by Wilson McComb who had access to the factory records at the time.
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Wiessmann
Germany
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Posted - 11/04/2014 : 12:06:03
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Greame, I made a mistake. The Reg. No. of K3006 was AGO 507, not 506. So, Eddie Hall did not drive a K3 in that Hill Climb, which corresponds with the outer appearance of the car in the picture.
Karl |
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O.Thomas
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/04/2014 : 11:38:40
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| This ties up with statements in Rivers Fletchers book "past and present" where he refers to Hall in the 500 mile race having a couple of bikes supplemented by a K1 Magnette for use in the paddock.It also mentions in the same chapter he had run it at Craigantlet,and won his class there. Oliver |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/04/2014 : 13:52:00
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The entry list from the programme (above) shows that an M.G. Magnette was entered by Victor Ltd in two classes, namely unsupercharged cars up to 1100 cc, and unsupercharged cars up to 1500 cc. The handwritten annotations on the programme would suggest that the car was in fact driven by Eddie Hall and not by Victor Ferguson and this is supported by the photo from The Light Car. The report of the event in the Belfast Newsletter, however, credited Ferguson with being the driver, but they were probably just relying on the times given by the timekeepers and the names in the entry list. In any event, whoever was driving won both classes. The Newsletter report also stated, however, that Hall won the class for racing cars and supercharged cars in a supercharged M.G. which he had entered. This presumably was the K3 and a late entry as it didn't feature in the programme. But we've seen that before with Craigantlet where photos exist of cars with numbers that don't feature in the programme.
I'll be home over Easter so I'll pop into Belfast Library and see if there are any photos of Hall's K3 in either the Newsletter or the Telegraph.
Simon J
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MG Perth
Australia
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Posted - 13/04/2014 : 14:15:49
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This would add up with two wins in a supercharged car, two in an unsupercharged car and a win in a Midget. The MG magazine claimed five wins overall to Eddie Hall that day,
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/04/2014 : 15:15:30
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Just to clarify things, the class winners were:
Class 1 Unsupercharged cars other than racing cars up to 860cc - Flght/Lt L.R. Briggs, M.G. J2
Class 2 Unsupercharged cars other than racing cars up to 1100cc - E.R. Hall, M.G. Magnette (although the entry list and some results credited Victor Ferguson as the driver)
Class 3 Unsupercharged cars other than racing cars up to 1500 cc - E.R. Hall, M.G. Magnette (although the entry list and some results credited Victor Ferguson as the driver)
Class 4 Unsupercharged cars other than racing cars, unlimited cc - C.G. Neil, Bugatti. (The Magnette, driven either by Ferguson or Hall, was second)
Class 5 All cars, including racing and supercharged cars up to 1100 cc - E.R. Hall, M.G. supercharged
Dunlop Trophy, unlimited racing car class - E.R. Hall, M.G. supercharged
So four wins for Eddie Hall and one for Flight/Lt Briggs.
This was also the event in which Victor Ferguson drove the J3 which was the subject of this thread http://www.triple-mregister.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7086&SearchTerms=Victor,ferguson,j3,Craigantlet
Simon J
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Wiessmann
Germany
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 05:38:31
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'The Light Car' says that Eddie Hall also won the classes for blown cars in an unsupercharged Magnette (21/9/33, p. 452):
Regards, Karl |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/04/2014 : 08:19:10
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I think you're misreading the report Karl. It says he "drove an unsupercharged Magnette in one or two of the classes where blown cars were barred - and won them". Those were classes 2 and 3 noted above. One should also add one minute to the times quoted in The Light Car - the current record (on a shortened course) is 39.56 secs.
Simon J
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Nick Feakes
USA
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Posted - 18/04/2014 : 16:58:03
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Simon Johnston sent me the results tables from 1933-35 Craigantlet hill climb. I have added them to the Ards TT programmes available in the "Document on-line - Ards TT Programmes" from the main menu.
Thank you Simon.
Nick
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/04/2014 : 17:48:37
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Nick,
Might it be worth giving the Craigantlet Results their own listing rather than including them under Ards TT which wouldn't be an obvious place to look for them?
Simon J
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Enfield Allday
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/04/2014 : 20:39:46
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Simon J posting of programme confirms ERH ran in 5 classes; 3 u/s using his own K1 AGO 506 & 2 (s) using K3002 see photo in Video "Strictly TT" of ERH towing K3002 (union flag only on bonnet side) with AGO 506 at Belfast Docks.
By the way, were the three MM cars K3001/2/3 grass green as was K3752,
can anyone confirm, not the usual dark BRG used for MG restorations? |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/04/2014 : 13:28:54
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I popped into Belfast Library this morning but sad to say there are no photos of Eddie Hall in the K3 at Craigantlet in either the Telegraph or the Newsletter reports of the event.
Simon J
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