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Terry Hartley
United Kingdom
282 Posts |
 Posted - 01/10/2018 : 22:54:53
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A fellow Yorkshire region MGCC member has sent me two photographs he has found of a MG owned by his family pre-war. He has no previous knowledge of the car and asked if I could fill in some details regarding type etc and if anyone knows what happened to it.
Obviously, it is a four seater and I would guess a F1 looking at the sloping radiator grill (?), front wings and bonnet length. However, the passenger door cut looks more like a J1 to me. Also, what is the sticky up thing mounted on the nearside front wing?
The car isn't listed in any of the printed registers I have.
Any thoughts?
Terry
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Terry Hartley
United Kingdom
282 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2018 : 22:58:37
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Second photo:
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Eric Taylor
France
165 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 01:24:39
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Hi Terry, an interesting photo. The sticky up thing might be a guide to how wide it was,not that should be difficult to judge!
It seems to have 12” brakes and the rear of the body is curved like a J1.
Perhaps a very late F3 or an amalgamation of J1/ F parts.
Regards Eric Taylor. |
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LewPalmer
USA
3320 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 02:33:53
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Interestingly, there is a J1 (J0396) on the database with the registration on AKE280. Could this be a transcription error?
Lew Palmer
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Edited by - LewPalmer on 02/10/2018 02:36:43 |
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
3288 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 10:03:20
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As Lew has noted AKE 28 does not show up on the data base but AKE 280 is J0396 on which there is no record of it surviving.
The number plate looks correct in the photo - no space for a number 0 - and I think from the radiator and length of the bonnet the car is an F type, the 12 inch brakes could indicate an F3?
Maybe that fitment to the front mudguard is a small flag pole!!
George
Registrar F/L/N types |
Edited by - George Eagle on 02/10/2018 10:05:44 |
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Terry Hartley
United Kingdom
282 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 10:30:11
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Thanks, George, Lew and Eric (good to hear from you again Eric, long time no see!) for your comments.
I agree about the strong F3 likelihood but I'm still puzzled by the rounded rear bodywork being like a J1. Also, is that a Midge mascot on the radiator cap?
As an aside what period do we think these photos were taken, pre or post war? Does the clothing give us any clues, 30s, 40s or 50s?
Terry. |
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KevinA
New Zealand
699 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 11:34:57
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Ok. Time for my tuppence.
The mascot is a prop driven plane. From the side it looks like a spitfire which would make it postwar, but I suppose from a stylised point of view many 30s planes would show similar lines.
The "flagpole" is simply a parking aid to help people see the blind spot of the left hand front wing. Many of the cars we have on the road here in NZ are Japanese used exports which carry something similar even today |
Edited by - KevinA on 02/10/2018 11:41:36 |
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Westbury
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/10/2018 : 13:22:32
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Hello, Kevin.
Yes, it could be a Spitfire, but also could be a Hurricane.
Both fighters were introduced in the 1930s, the Spitfire prototype first flew in 1936.
Cheers,
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ANDY KING
United Kingdom
321 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 16:07:42
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Could the rad cap be a Schneider Trophy Mascot (Supermarine S6B Sea Plane Mascot) Such was fitted and photographed in 1936/8 to our MG TA, JB 9447 chassis TA 0275
Photo of Dickie on "Iles Delight" getting the "RAZZ" from Dick Sandford and Polly White, Windwood Cup Trial 27th Feb 1938
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Cooperman
United Kingdom
787 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 16:21:50
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The sticky up thing is definitely a width guide, as the wings were that much lower than the bonnet shorter drivers couldn't see the nearside wing. I remember my grandad having such a thing on his C1938 Austin Cambridge, which then transferred to his Austin A40 and even his Austin A50, which wasn't really necessary, but he'd always had one. I have a picture of the latter somewhere if I can find it.
John Cooper M 628 |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3154 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 17:53:42
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Onno
Netherlands
1086 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 21:52:25
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That looks a lot like a supermarine S6B, the inspiration for the spirfire.
This off course makes it a pre-war piece.
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3154 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2018 : 21:56:53
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Quite different?
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Terry Hartley
United Kingdom
282 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2018 : 20:52:21
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Thanks for all input.
The MGCC member concerned (Norrie McCredie) has provided another snippet of information, he remembers his Dad saying the car was about ten years old when he acquired it (so that could be around 1942/3?) and bought it from a fellow team mate in the Scottish football club Partick Thistle.
Before I get back to Norrie do we have any other theories/conclusions regarding the car itself? I think it's a F3 Magna but that passenger door/door pillar profile still puzzles me.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/10/2018 : 21:56:46
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I don't think that anyone has mentioned that the door hinges are at the front and not at the back so it's no wonder the door looks a little odd. The body style behind the door is of the style of an F3 (basically the same as a J2/L2) so I'd go with it being an F3 and someone has modified the door.
Simon J
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JohnE
United Kingdom
389 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2018 : 22:19:44
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Looks like a standard J1 body, often rumoured to have been used on the last F3s, and the door fits that. The odd bits are the front valence with external horn, the black headlamp rims and the half windscreen wiper.
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