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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
941 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 15:24:22
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Simon, the use of 'quotes' around disappeared is provoking. Is there more to say on this subject?
Ian Bowers OD 6791 J3 3772 |
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2009 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 16:28:59
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Hello Nick.
Whatever happened to K3004 subsequently, the car was supplied as I described above, in standard slab tanked two seater form . Copyright precludes me from showing the picture which shows Adrian Squire and Manby-Colgrave standing behind the car outside the Remenham Hill Garage alongside the road. Apparently, Manby-Colgrave had planned to use the car in the Mille Miglia but for whatever reason neither he or his car took part. This car was collected by Reginald Slay, Adrian Squire and MC had been to Abingdon two months before in February, to order the car. Squire himself had worked at Abingdon in the Drawing Office.
The series of photographs of the car with modified racing bodywork seen with Squire mechanics were taken in August so the car must have been altered sometime between March and August of 1933.
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Edited by - Westbury on 15/03/2021 16:33:16 |
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nick westbrook
United Kingdom
20 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 17:35:38
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Hello Chris Surely it would have been easier to purchase a pointed tail body from the factory and change it over? Did I dream it or somewhere in Reg Slay's book - 'Haps Misshaps and Fun' (I no longer have a copy as I gave it back to Roy Palmer who owned Squire JB 8776) did he say that he had come across the original body for the car in recent years (circa 2000)?? |
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2009 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 19:19:04
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Hello, Nick.
The MG factory didn’t supply the pointed tail version of the K3 until 1934 but of course the M-C tail was a one off and may well have been knocked up in the Squire workshops. ( Manby-Colgrave being a business partner to Adrian Squire )
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6119 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 19:53:08
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quote: Originally posted by Ian Bowers
Simon, the use of 'quotes' around disappeared is provoking. Is there more to say on this subject?
Nope!
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houndhome
United Kingdom
17 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 23:14:20
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My understanding which I read somewhere is that the wings off K3004 were used on the prototype Squire.this would seem to make some sense as a cost saving if they were not going to be required for the K3. |
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2009 Posts |
Posted - 15/03/2021 : 23:46:40
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Hello, Ben.
That is quite correct.
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nick westbrook
United Kingdom
20 Posts |
Posted - 16/03/2021 : 16:42:15
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Hello Chris Having studied the before and after pictures in the Squire book it certainly looks like a completely new body. So do we think that K3004 was in effect the prototype pointed tail car and, if so, did MG copy the design / construction for their 1934 production? This having regard to Adrian Squire's close relationship with Cecil Kimber. The original thread of this story was the UK registration number and the sideways on photo of the car in road going form at Remenham Hill Garage tantalisingly shows a high mounted plate of 2 letters and 4 digits. Does anyone have access to the Berkshire Registration Lists that I studied at Oxford Library back in the 1990's? Nick W J2118 |
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2009 Posts |
Posted - 16/03/2021 : 20:04:14
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Hello again, Nick.
I personally doubt that the pointed tail on the (Mk11) Manby-Colgrave’s car in itself led to the MG factory producing their pointed tail version of the K3 in 1934. It was probably simply the owner’s choice to make his car look more like a racing car. There were other owners who altered their cars to a similar style and it seemed to be a trend at that time.
It would be good to clear up the mystery !
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Ross Kelly
Australia
227 Posts |
Posted - 17/03/2021 : 08:57:11
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Hi, Attached is page regarding registration JB1411 from my extensive dossier on K3004. I have found no photos showing the registration of K3004 between 1933 and 1950, in fact no photos at all between 1939 and 1952 until it came to Australia in 1952. I have contacted the Kithead Trust regarding registrations but they were closed due to Covid 19.
cheers Ross Kelly
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2009 Posts |
Posted - 17/03/2021 : 10:53:40
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Thanks for that information, Ross. It would not have made any sense to supply a road going K3 without a registration number. Just unfortunate that no period photographs seem to exist showing the car with it’s number.
Chris
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Ross Kelly
Australia
227 Posts |
Posted - 17/03/2021 : 12:10:20
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Chris, My thoughts as well, how did. the car travel from race meet to race meet if not registered. The car registered to H. Stuart-Wilton. does not seem right as it was owned by Mrs Corbett-Fisher. cheers ross
quote: Originally posted by Westbury
Thanks for that information, Ross. It would not have made any sense to supply a road going K3 without a registration number. Just unfortunate that no period photographs seem to exist showing the car with it’s number.
Chris
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nick westbrook
United Kingdom
20 Posts |
Posted - 17/03/2021 : 20:03:18
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Hi Chris & Ross In Johnathan Wood's Squire book there is a much clearer version of the bottom right hand pic outside the Garage which definitely shows a front number plate of seemingly 2 digits and 4 numbers. According to JW the photo was taken by the Motor Sport photographer in May 1933 when they did a limited road test? I wonder if anyone has a copy of their test and if the original negatives of the photoshoot have survived? With reference to transportation to and from the track Squires had a very smart service van and also a very posh sign written trailer (shown in the Squire book taking the single seater Squire to Brooklands in 1936). The mystery rumbles on! Nick J2118 |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6119 Posts |
Posted - 17/03/2021 : 20:33:36
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The LAT photographic archive at Motor Sport are very helpful and may be able to track down the photos taken by their photographer. Well worth a try.
Simon J J3437 |
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KevinA
New Zealand
670 Posts |
Posted - 17/03/2021 : 20:53:33
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https://www.prewarminor.com/triple-m-corner-no-132
Credits motorsportimages (the current owners of the LAT Autocar photo archives) as the copyright holders so they presumably have the negative.
I have recently purchased some rather nice photos of my 18/80 from them and found them to be extremely helpful |
Edited by - KevinA on 17/03/2021 21:01:06 |
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