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sullivan
USA
423 Posts |
 Posted - 30/06/2016 : 19:33:35
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In restoring PA 1024 should I plan to replace all spokes and wheels with new or replace broken spokes with new and save original wheels?
Also Would the wheels need to be completely disassembled then parts painted and re-assembled, or were the original wheels painted after assembly?
Kindly,
Brian W Sullivan |
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3678 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2016 : 20:03:15
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Brian, whichever course you adopt, the general advice is that the spokes should be of butted construction, that's to say they are of a thicker section at the end nearest the hub and then step down to a slightly thinner 'outboard' section. I have previously had wheels with parallel spokes and they had a tendency to fail - and I am not (usually) a maniac driver!
Dick Morbey
PA/PB 0743
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sullivan
USA
423 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 00:13:00
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Thank you for the excellent advise Dick.
I will be sure to use one of the suggested vendors who are familiar with providing the proper butted spokes for our cars.
My Restoration shop owner is asking me if it is alright to media blast the wheels with spokes in place and paint them or if the entire wheel should be disassembled and paint all parts separately before re-assembly? At the present I am unsure if there is a correct answer?
Brian W Sullivan |
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John Libbert
USA
211 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 01:25:55
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Brian,
I'm not sure this is right or wrong but when I rebuilt the wheels for my J2 years ago, I cut out all the spokes, glass bead blasted the rim and hub. Then I replaced all the spokes with new ones and had the wheels primed and painted.
Best regards,
John |
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bloodysalmon
Spain
1482 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 07:20:46
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My experience is from the guys that rebuild these spoked wheels; yes they make more money etc but I believe him. In fact these chaps are getting rare and near me it tends to be a cyclist or motor bike wheel specialist that can rebuild them.
But what he has demonstrated to me was the impact of one bent, broken and or missing spoke. Once this has happened it is extremely likely the wheel will have gone off ... bent. So you say replace the spoke and re-tighten ... well its not that easy to bring it back to true unless you undue a few others he says! If you wish to do this you have to free the spoke ends up and from most if not all of my wheels the spokes just didnt want to come free due to rust ... so they had to be cut. Once all removed it was far easier to clean up. You can degrease and fill most holes once disassembled too.
Yes this costs more because of the 40/50+ new spokes so you then have to determine if you have an affinity with your wheels as it then becomes cheaper/closer to buy brand new wheels rather than refurbishing ... I refurbished 7 of my 11 wheels, the others are pending a lottery win!
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etlanpa
United Kingdom
560 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 11:56:02
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Bear in mind they're 80+ years old, so you need to check the rims carefully for cracks, and also for wear in the hub splines.
As others have said, it's more cost effective (& safer) to go for new wheels...
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sullivan
USA
423 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 17:25:22
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Gents,
Thank you for the wonderful feedback.
Happy Friday,
Brian W Sullivan |
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Cooperman
United Kingdom
760 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 17:56:14
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Remember the wheels are your contact with the ground and like tyres it's not worth spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar. The ship maybe your life.
When my wheels on my 18/80 were rebuilt I had nightmares when I saw the state of the rims, I have had the wheels on both my 18/80 and my M type professionaly rebuilt.
John Cooper M 628 |
Edited by - Cooperman on 01/07/2016 18:01:38 |
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colintf
United Kingdom
1503 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 18:58:29
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Are there any recommendations for wheel rebuilders? Many thanks
D0285
Photographer for MGCC (LeMans Classic, Oldtimer Grand Prix etc) & MG Motor (BTCC 2012-5)
http://www.triple-mracing.com/ |
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Keith Durston
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 19:13:18
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Colin,
I recently had all my wheels for my M type rebuilt by Richards Brothers. They were fantastically helpful and did a superb job. Their website is http://www.richards-bros.com/ . I have no connection with them other than a very satisfied customer who will use them again.
Keith
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colintf
United Kingdom
1503 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 19:55:05
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That's great to know, many thanks Keith :)
D0285
Photographer for MGCC (LeMans Classic, Oldtimer Grand Prix etc) & MG Motor (BTCC 2012-5)
http://www.triple-mracing.com/ |
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sullivan
USA
423 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 20:53:00
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Ok,
Do we know of a new wheel supplier in the US ?
Brian W Sullivan |
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sullivan
USA
423 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 20:54:24
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First quote given was $400-$600 per wheel to rebuild the exsisting original wheels.
Brian W Sullivan |
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Terry Hartley
United Kingdom
279 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 20:57:59
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Colin
Also, try clicking 'suppliers' on this forum. Lots of recommended suppliers for lots of services, many forget that it's there. |
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colintf
United Kingdom
1503 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 21:53:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Terry Hartley
Colin
Also, try clicking 'suppliers' on this forum. Lots of recommended suppliers for lots of services, many forget that it's there.
Thanks Terry 
D0285
Photographer for MGCC (LeMans Classic, Oldtimer Grand Prix etc) & MG Motor (BTCC 2012-5)
http://www.triple-mracing.com/ |
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LewPalmer
USA
3244 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2016 : 22:51:58
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Brian,
Sadly, there are no suppliers of outer laced wheels in the US, except for the occasional used wheel. There are a couple of suppliers of center laced wheels, but of course they wouldn't be correct for your Triple-M car.
Lew Palmer
PA1169, PB0560 |
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