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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
1487 Posts |
 Posted - 02/07/2016 : 10:42:03
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I went to James Wheildon in Salisbury to get several old centres rebuilt with new rims and spokes. James is in the process of retirng and his business has now been taken over by Nick, working from the same workshop. Nick recommended going for complete new wheels as he could not do a rebuild for a lower price than a totally new wheel supplied my Motor Wheel Ssrvices. I bought a pair of MWS wheels via Nick, and have no regrets, now that the credit card bill has been paid and the size of the bill has passed out of my short term memory !
I am sure that Nick (or MWS) could arrange shipment to the US.
Colin B. |
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Christian Cottes
France
114 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2016 : 18:51:30
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Good evening,
My question may be somewhat marginal in this topic, but let me take this opportunity.
I experienced broken spokes on the J2 (rear end, starting on right-hand side, and furious wheel wobble after half a dozen had gone... ). Bugatti, Amilcar, Salmson drivers were asking : why are the spokes bolted to the outer part of the rim, rather than to the central rib ? In most designs, both spokes which start from the side hub of the wheel and the wheel nut side converge to the center rib. Is there a reason why another design was retained on our MG's ?
(hope I made myself clear...English is not my native language) |
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
3240 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2016 : 19:43:50
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Hi Christian
Your English is very good.
In the past I did consider having old wheels refurbished but decided they were always rusty and damaged etc and it was cheaper and safer to buy new.
Like Colin I have used Motor Wheel Services on my cars, both both of which were supercharged, I have gone for 60 spoke wheels, this was after several N type owners complained about breaking spokes.
George
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6144 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2016 : 20:30:49
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Originally posted by Colin Butchers
I went to James Wheildon in Salisbury to get several old centres rebuilt with new rims and spokes. James is in the process of retirng and his business has now been taken over by Nick, working from the same workshop. Nick recommended going for complete new wheels as he could not do a rebuild for a lower price than a totally new wheel supplied my Motor Wheel Ssrvices. I bought a pair of MWS wheels via Nick, and have no regrets, now that the credit card bill has been paid and the size of the bill has passed out of my short term memory !
I am sure that Nick (or MWS) could arrange shipment to the US.
Colin B.
Colin,
I recall also using MWS for an exchange wheel for my TC. I seem to remember the price was £2/17/6d  .
Simon J
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
1487 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2016 : 10:06:13
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Simon, That must have been when the TC was first inroduced. Why did you go to MWS instead of Abingdon ? If you remove the first "forward slash" you are close to the current price of a single wheel ! As I mentioned, I have now got over it, I really have.
Best wishes,
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coracle
United Kingdom
1940 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2016 : 10:41:40
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Originally posted by Christian Cottes
Good evening,
My question may be somewhat marginal in this topic, but let me take this opportunity.
I experienced broken spokes on the J2 (rear end, starting on right-hand side, and furious wheel wobble after half a dozen had gone... ). Bugatti, Amilcar, Salmson drivers were asking : why are the spokes bolted to the outer part of the rim, rather than to the central rib ? In most designs, both spokes which start from the side hub of the wheel and the wheel nut side converge to the center rib. Is there a reason why another design was retained on our MG's ?
(hope I made myself clear...English is not my native language)
Christian,
A good point.
In reponse to your question, I believe that MMM MGs went with an offset design in order to minimise the wheel camber angle and king pin angle whilst achieving a balanced spoke side angle. This was changed with the later T types which are centre laced. Probably at that time they were thought to be a better balanced design and more rigid being symmetric.
I don't see a problem with side laced wire wheels as the plethora of post war offset designs seem to support.
I must emphasise that I speak from relative ignorance and am only making a personal observation in the hope of provoking a more convincing response from somebody who really does know.
Nigel.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6144 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2016 : 12:50:25
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Originally posted by Colin Butchers
Simon, That must have been when the TC was first inroduced. Why did you go to MWS instead of Abingdon ?
Not quite, but it was only twenty years old as I recall! MWS were an easy Tube journey from Turnpike Lane to Goldhawk Road with the wheel under my arm!
Simon J
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JohnE
United Kingdom
374 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2016 : 20:56:29
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I suspect the real attraction of centre laced whels in 1946 was to get an extra 1.5 inches of body width from the same back axle. There were narrower two strip running boards that went with that, and they are the only way that I can spot a TC from a TA/B.
By the way, TA steering is certainly not improved by fitting TC wheels.
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sullivan
USA
423 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2016 : 22:00:01
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It seems that spoke wheels are a hot button for all our cars. When considering what failure of the wheel at speed might produce. It does not appear that restoring 80 year old wheels is the best plan for one who want's to drive their car.
It appears that full spoke replacement is required to drive the car..
sounds as though original restored wheels are good for museums and not necessarily for use.
Best,
Brian W Sullivan |
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
1487 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2016 : 10:32:11
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No Brian, I don't agree. In the 70s I used my 1935 NA extensively in trials, sprints, hill climbs and races, on the original 18" side-laced wheels. True I broke a few spokes from time to time, but the old maxim "a stitch in time etc. etc" was very valid. If I noticed a broken spoke, I replaced it straight away. If you leave it you will break more and more, resulting in a possible collpase and eventual total and costly rebuild. The only reason that I bought two new MWS wheels for the PA was that the original 80 year old ones never ran quite as true as I wanted. I don't mind a bit of "run-out" on the rears, but I wanted the fronts to be as true as my funds would allow.
Colin B.
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Gerhard Maier
Germany
874 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2016 : 13:58:17
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I could imagine, that the layout of wire-wheels was changed from outside-laced to center-laced was done in 1936 because Abingdon was confronted more and more by customers having flat foot problems.
On the center-laced wheel. the nipples of the spokes can be covered by a rubber band, which is difficult to do on side-laced wheels.
I also struggled at quite a lot of occasions, with that trouble !
Gerhard
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sullivan
USA
423 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2016 : 16:08:16
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Collin,
Good News!
Thank you for sharing your experience. It was my hope that the car could be run on the original wheels and sounds as though you put them through their paces! My previous post was what I thought the general consensus of those commenting was. So now I am re-thinking....
Best,
Brian W Sullivan |
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Tim Luffingham
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2016 : 16:32:45
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I visited MWS in Slough recently. Very friendly.
They'll take your old wheels for examination and approximately 1 week later will give you a written report. Typically £450 per wheel. re spoked, sandblasted, sprayed and balanced. About one month to do the job. ( I had an involuntary dizzy spell soon after £450 per wheel being mentioned, and not sure if VAT is on top!)
A new 19 inch wheel ( they have a factory in India ) silver painted is £178 plus vat. I think the chrome are £198 plus vat. As the valve hole on the new wheel is side mounted, you'll need new tubes @£20 each and balancing at another £20 each. They have tyres in stock too though my old ones were fine and they swapped them over while I waited. .
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Colin McLachlan
United Kingdom
991 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2016 : 10:14:40
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Tim, are the new (Indian) wheels fitted with butted spokes?
Colin
Markinch, Fife.
PA 0613
MG3242
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3678 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2016 : 10:28:30
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Back in 2011 I bought 4 new 19" Indian wheels from Richards Bros in Cardiff. They weren't cheap - came in at £210 each including freight - but so far after 9,000 miles they have been faultless.
Dick Morbey
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