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KJ1592
United Kingdom
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Reinout
USA
223 Posts |
 Posted - 10/03/2020 : 14:50:25
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It is listed in the ad as well as in our database as 2M0254, the 4th M-Type of the line in Oxford.
Reinout Vogt
Emma
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Ian Grace
USA
660 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2020 : 23:40:13
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Would be nice if it were. But the photos show front-hinged doors, late wings, late pattern headlamp stalks, and perhaps a metal skinned body?
First registration date quoted as 1/1/31. 2M0254 was laid down 3/5/29.
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Brian Watson
United Kingdom
189 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2020 : 08:24:34
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It has the MMM number 3643 but the Register Statistics state there are only 3564 cars registered with a MMM number. How can that be?
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2020 : 09:25:18
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This looks like a late M-type and the seller needs to double check what is stamped on the dumb iron.
As Ian points out, it has front hinge doors, late guards, and late headlamp supports. It also has late wheels, a later dash and a later brake pedal mounted on the chassis.
It features a Morris Family Eight three speed gearbox, a Morris Minor manifold, a Morris Minor steering wheel, a Minor sump, an early Minor handbrake lever and a J2 rocker cover.
It has an extra and unusual petrol tank.
The engine is interesting although "not original to the car and confirmed started out in CM1198." Does CM1198 still exist?
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
868 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2020 : 11:08:41
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CM1198 does indeed exist, but has been a 2 seater since at least the late '40s, when it was pictured in a trial - it is register number 28.
Which brings me to my second point, bodies get swapped around over the years, and as this was bought as a 'project', this may well have happened here. If this is 2M254, I believe it would be the oldest M type known to the Register, pity so much of it would seem to have been collected from uncertain sources.
Re the register number, there are a few gaps on the register due to cars being scrapped (not uncommon the the 1960s) or duplicated, hence the total is less than the highest number allocated.
Regards,
Graham
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2020 : 11:55:40
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The owner of this car is a subscriber to this Forum.
The chassis mounted brake pedal very strongly suggests a later chassis. Although it could be a modification the mounting it is not simply bolted on using existing holes. With everything else needing done it would seem an unlikely priority.
It really all depends on the number on the dumb iron.
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Blue M
United Kingdom
1472 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2020 : 19:46:01
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| Or it could be a metal bodied car which met with an accident and another chassis was found for it which happens to be from a very early car. |
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Cooperman
United Kingdom
760 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2020 : 22:15:10
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or it could be a new body, which looks quite possible, and account for the front hinged doors. I didn't think any metal panelled cars were built at Abingdon.
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2020 : 08:57:17
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I have been in touch with the owner who has explained that it is indeed chassis 2M 254. This has been inspected and confirmed by Mike and Barney making it the oldest known M-type.
The other parts have been gathered up for it from other sources so the new owner will have some trading to do.
As Reinout comments, this is the 4th M-Type off the line in Oxford.
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leafrancis14
United Kingdom
323 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2020 : 11:38:00
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Hi All,
As the registrar, I had contact with the owner and also with Mike about this chassis. The first thing is that it is definitely an M type without any doubt at all. The chassis number stamping is definitely original but rather worn. Mike of course pointed out the later bits and pieces which may or may not belong to the chassis. Having weighed it all up I have allocated it a register number as M type 2M 254.
Please note that the register does not authenticate cars.
Barny
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2020 : 13:05:11
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In spite of my previous comment I am still not convinced.
The chassis mounted brake pedal, the extensive collection of strictly 1931 parts and the 1931 registration date still suggest a 1931 car.
Since the numbers visible on the dumb iron are 254 could this in fact be 2M 3254 registered 10/11/31 registration number MV 932 ? It would fit all the circumstantial evidence and the 1931 registration date.
Is there any information available about 2M 3254 10/11/31 registration number MV 932 and what became of it?
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2020 : 21:59:53
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2M 3254 is this car -
...so that finishes that theory.
On closer inspection the pedal mounting really does look like a later fitting.
So perhaps the chassis is 2M 0254 after all.
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