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Rodney Collins
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05/06/2008 : 20:47:30
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Just driving home from a 2 day bussiness course in Cirencester got to Cambridge on the A14 a saw a nice bugatti that had lose a rear wheel and slewed across the road no one was hurt and the Bobbies in blue were there, So make sure your knock on a tight!
Rodney
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kimber
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/06/2008 : 21:12:19
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| Yes, I saw that too. Looked as though the front wheels were askew, too. The o/s rear wheel was missing. Funnily enough, I was towing an empty trailer but it was too dangerous to stop. As you say, they appear to have had assistance. |
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tapope
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2008 : 05:32:28
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I wonder if they recently serviced the car and put the left side splines n the rights side... and vise-versa... Even if your knockoffs were not tight, driving forward should have tightened them. At least is sounds like nobody was hurt - thats the important thing.
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David Allison
United Kingdom
665 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 10:32:48
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Most likely is that he had broken a 1/2 shaft.
Bugatti shafts are not captive to the rear wheel bearing - when the shaft breaks the wheel comes off!
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Bob Stringfield
United Kingdom
854 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2008 : 09:27:12
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So MG front axles may not have met with Ettore's approval in period, but MG rear ones had him beat. ( See MTB, Thornley)
England 1: Italy 1?
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ht1962
Netherlands
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Posted - 08/06/2008 : 09:43:06
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Bugatti's were made in the Molsheim (Alsace) witch at the time was French
Halbe
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Peter Scott
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/06/2008 : 13:46:02
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Originally posted by ht1962
Bugatti's were made in the Molsheim (Alsace) witch at the time was French
Halbe
....and is in France today.
Peter
PS please ignore the email which I sent in error. |
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kimber
United Kingdom
1529 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 14:23:56
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| Rather depends upon whether we are referring to the man or the product. |
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Bob Stringfield
United Kingdom
854 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 15:25:54
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Thanks - Kimber is on the ball. Ettor? Bugatti was an Italian citizen, never a French one, irrespective of the fact that his cars were made in Alsace - which, depending one one's viewpoint at the time, might have been French or German territory.
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Peter Scott
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/06/2008 : 16:46:01
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Originally posted by Bob Stringfield
Thanks - Kimber is on the ball. Ettor? Bugatti was an Italian citizen, never a French one, irrespective of the fact that his cars were made in Alsace - which, depending one one's viewpoint at the time, might have been French or German territory.
Bugattis are traditionally Blue not Red and the BOC run a French day at Prescott not an Italian one. So I guess most of us consider Bugattis to be French cars.
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David Allison
United Kingdom
665 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2008 : 16:21:09
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Even the improved front axle is not a patch on the Bugatti item!
The Molshiem front axle is a work of art.
The rear axle is state of the art for the 1920's and does to an extent rely on proper maintenance.
Also the 1/2 shafts are quite a bit stronger than the MG ones and they do not break very often.
It is easy to be smug when these breakages happen to others - but remember that the MG is a 1930's design and benfits from the mistakes of other earlier models maybe?
The Bugatti has a number of features which are admirable - and many others which are most definately not!
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Rodney Collins
United Kingdom
424 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2008 : 23:58:26
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Funny how a broken old "French/Itilian car can generate such a responce!
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ht1962
Netherlands
114 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 09:21:13
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I think we have to see Bugatti's as moving pieces of art, not as practical engineering solutions.
They need very skilled mechanics to keep them reliable and on the road.
and i applaud the Bugatiste who uses his car the way they were intended.
This also apply's to all the other owners the car's we like so much.
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Bob Stringfield
United Kingdom
854 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 09:56:29
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It depends on what price we put on 'art'.
In 1933, the year of the axle, the cheapest Bugatti listed was the Type 49 in chassis-only form at ú675 (complete car at ú785) while the most expensive, neglecting the 'Royale', was the Type 46 at ú1175 and ú1425.
The figures for MG, neglecting the obsolescent 18/80 range, were from the J1 in chassis form at ú175 (complete car at ú220 to ú255) up to the K1 at ú315 (complete car at up to ú445)
The Type 51 racing car was listed as 'Price on request', and would have been somewhat more expensive than the K3 at ú475-ú695. ( All from Stone and Cox, 1946)
Both Bugatti and Kimber made excellent cars. Kimber's genius lay in making marvellously attractive cars ( still marvellously attractive, if the reaction of the boys from the local school is anything to go by ) from components developed from those of more mundane vehicles: Bugatti's, perhaps, in persuading his French workers to follow his intuitive Italian eye for form and function.
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ht1962
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 12:53:26
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Both makes have made great cars in the past.
Comparing the two does neither make justice, they were made with a totally different philosophy ,for an totally different client?le and in an opposite price range.
Neither make is the better one, I love both for what they are and not for what they cost in the past or how much they are worth today.
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David Allison
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 13:15:45
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| Well Said! |
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