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phunter121
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
 Posted - 11/04/2023 : 17:02:56
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I'm considering buying this car. It has been fully restored, but no longer has the original engine or gearbox.
The vendor has owned the car since the 1980s and said it was found in Scotland with the registration number JR 3287. He said the DVLC were not able to identify the car as there were no registration documents. It now has a new age related registration number. The chassis number is P1589 and is in the correct place on the chassis.
The rest of the car is in outstanding condition (although lacking in patina), so I just wondered if any of you had any opinions on how the lack of history and original registration would affect the value of the car?
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Teifion
United Kingdom
165 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2023 : 17:21:39
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I would have thought armed with knowing the original reg + chassis no's and using the might of John James it's possible to reinstate the registration number?
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3687 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2023 : 17:32:13
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Peter
Please feel free to contact me about this car.
Dick Morbey, Register Secretary
PA-PB 0743
Frieth, Oxon, UK
secretary@triple-mregister.org |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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John James
United Kingdom
972 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2023 : 21:48:13
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Something rather odd here....
If the original registration number was OW 5865 (and still is) how could it have carried the number JR 3287 and then be issued with "a new age related registration number" (OW 5865)?
It is said that the vendor has owned the car since the 1980s but it was shown as being owned by 'J. Thomas' in the Register listing which was published with the 1993 Yearbook.
The DVLA entry for OW 5865 shows the date of the last V5C as 5 June 2012; this usually signifies a change of ownership. |
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KevinA
New Zealand
681 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2023 : 01:44:42
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Registration documents had been lost, so the decision to fully strip and rebuild the car to ‘as near’ original for 1934 and a 4-seater variant was made with the intention to obtain a new registration number and V5 documentation. Rebuilt in his spare time over the next 25 years, most of the parts from Sports & Vintage and Barry Walker. In 2014, with the support of the MG Car Club, the DVLA issued a new age-related registration number. The vendor found the number 1589 on the chassis when restoring the car however later found in the MG PA register there is another car using that chassis number with a PA prefix.
https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/lot-1934-mg-pa/?lot=57440&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=529&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=0&art=108&pp=96&pn=1&g=1
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
1487 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2023 : 11:26:53
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The chassis number shown on the knuckle looks like 1588 - not 1589. PA1589 is the very well known and well used car owned by Ron Warr.
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phunter121
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2023 : 11:59:43
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Many thanks for all your input on this topic, especially Dick.
I think the conclusion is that the provenance of this car is unknown and its fairly certain that the chassis number PA1589 in not correct. Colin, I'm pretty sure it is a '9', rather than an '8'
Still looks like a nice car for someone though, but not for me.
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Onno
Netherlands
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2133 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2023 : 21:25:36
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It seems odd, (to me anyway!) that a two seater PA I owned in about 1970 was/is OW 6451 chassis number PA 0967 and yet OW 5865 is/ was registered as PA1589.
Any comments as to how that could happen, welcomed.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6303 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2023 : 22:06:33
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PA0967/OW 6451 was delivered to Wadham Bros, Waterlooville, Hampshire on 1 September 1934 but was not registered until 9 April 1935, over seven months later. PA1589, however, was delivered to Wadham Bros on 11 December and registered OW 5865 the same day. Perhaps PA0967 was used as a demonstrator (with trade plates) and may have been what persuaded someone to order one as PA1589's guarantee plate was issued on 26 September, i.e. three weeks after PA0967 had arrived in Wadham's showroom.
Simon J
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Edited by - Simon Johnston on 12/04/2023 22:10:14 |
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2133 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2023 : 11:24:49
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Thanks very much, Simon.
Where do you get your information?
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
3266 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2023 : 16:35:01
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I agree the chassis number is stamped. 1589 but I feel the 5 may not be original?
George
Registrar F/L/N types and temporarily K types. |
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3687 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2023 : 16:46:31
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Thank you, everyone who has contributed.
The register’s position about this car has been made known to the auctioneer and through them, one assumes, to the seller of the car. I don’t think it would be profitable to air this any further publicly. If any would-be purchaser of the car would like to contact the register we will be happy to engage with them directly.
Dick Morbey, Register Secretary
PA-PB 0743
Frieth, Oxon, UK
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phunter121
United Kingdom
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Onno
Netherlands
1071 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2023 : 16:57:03
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At least the mention the chassis nr mixup in the sales pitch
Onno "J,D,M" Könemann |
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