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Bruce Sutherland
United Kingdom
1565 Posts |
 Posted - 21/05/2010 : 20:49:16
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Discuss - I deplore the modern predilection for base-ball type hats when driving a Triple-M or other classic British motors; a proper British-type flat hat is much more appropriate.
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3677 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2010 : 21:25:09
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Tonsorial attire?I thought that might allude to rugs or hairpieces - but evidently not.....
I prefer a flat 'at - though the modern variants do help somewhat to overcome the consequences of the lack of windscreen visors in our cars ..
Regards
Dick Morbey, PA/B 0743 |
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Peter Scott
United Kingdom
1240 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2010 : 21:44:58
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Wear a baseball cap in a Triple-M? Whatever is the world coming to? You’ll be using stainless steel fasteners next. 
Definitely grounds for termination of Register membership.
Peter
PS Now lets get serious guys. We are a serious responsible club and should show a little decorum:
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Edited by - Peter Scott on 22/05/2010 12:27:52 |
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bahnisch
Australia
674 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2010 : 00:25:05
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| I often wear a flat 'at or Bugatti cap. Also a deerstalker in my 1912 Rover. Got them in the UK, seldom obtainable here where we are more into slouch hats or corks hanging from brims (to ward off flies), etc. |
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Dow
United Kingdom
490 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2010 : 05:38:22
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What we need is one of those glass screens that fit across the back behind the seats to stop our hair getting blown about. This would only I think be relevant to a small percentage of MMM owners !! This thread is beginning to look as though it should be in the Technical Information Forum.
How about a Light Hearted Forum
Regards
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Gordon
United Kingdom
692 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2010 : 08:46:26
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This was discussed in the forum some time ago. I suggested either of the Holden range of Vintage Motoring Cap or the Lugger. The latter was recommended. The former worn back to front was a common solution in the vintage years and is shown in many photos. Any other suggestions or comments on these 2 caps?
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JDoe
United Kingdom
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Dow
United Kingdom
490 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2010 : 06:15:35
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Straw can look elegant, but only at slow speeds,
Regards,
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Dow
United Kingdom
490 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2010 : 06:31:44
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French flat chapeau on tonsorial excess,
Baseball cap and straw !
David D |
Edited by - Dow on 23/05/2010 10:06:14 |
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Dow
United Kingdom
490 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2010 : 15:35:50
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A South American solution. No body else with any contributions ?
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David Griffiths
United Kingdom
47 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2010 : 19:59:19
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The problem with a typical british flat cap is that they resemble a perfect aerofoil shape so the aerodynamics are fine up to about 50 mph but above that the coefficient of lift is such that they will tend to create sufficient lift to depart from the wearer unless the angle of attack is below 12 degrees or the wearer has it on so tight that after an hour one has a real headache and an impressed ring around the head when removed. Ideally one should have a slightly smaller than normal hat size and wear with an angle of attack close to zero degrees.
I have on many occasions had to stop and walk back along the road to retrieve missing flat cap headwear, but I did find a solution many years ago whilst in France to collect a new Airbus A300 when I purchased a french version of the chappeau plat the aerodynamics of which are a lower lift coefficient and the ability to well exceed 65 mph before concerns of losing said hat.
Mind you when its really cold I wear a ski hat !
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2542 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2010 : 21:57:08
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Many years ago I used to wear a natural coloured woollen bobble hat. It stayed on at any speed with no discomfort however, I guess these days it would produce even more mirth than it did then! SWMBO would run a 4 minute mile.
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Dow
United Kingdom
490 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2010 : 05:34:57
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David G,
The science behind the flat cap is fascinating. Does the angle of lift apply at all times, at it would seem to me that this would be greater when the cap is put on backwards, as this would be more of an aerofoil shape,the peak being the trailing edge, except of course when in reverse.
Perhaps some of our members could set up a trial at the "Flat Cap and Long Thin Dog" weekend, wear them at different angles, and the guy at the back can sweep up
Regards
David D |
Edited by - Dow on 26/05/2010 10:05:04 |
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David Griffiths
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/05/2010 : 10:07:17
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David D
Of course you are correct in saying that a flat cap when worn back to front does more resemble a proper aerofoil shape.
I have to admit that my original reply to this post was really a bit of light hearted banter when basically the removal of said flat cap from head at speed is probably just wind getting under the peak.
What we need now is access to a wind tunnel to carry out some serious research into this subject.
Best wishes
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3677 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2010 : 10:47:46
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Maybe this is the time to introduce another element to the discussion?
Mrs Morbey has been following the thread with interest. Whilst she's not a registered subscriber to the forum she has an interest as the regular passenger in my P type.
The tonsorial aspect of all of this has generally been the source of much tutting from her in the past. Some hats squash thee lady's hair; others simply won't stay put; other means (e.g. scarves) are unacceptable for reasons that I can't begin to fathom.
The latest approach (and I assure you that no pictures of it in service are yet available) is as below:
I will report further in due course.
Regards
Dick Morbey, PA/B 0743 |
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Dow
United Kingdom
490 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2010 : 12:05:55
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David G :-
Light hearted banter !! I thought all postings on these forums were supposed to be taken seriously.
How about the Tyne Tunnel, that can get quite windy at times.
I shall hopefully be racing at Silverstone and if I can get an engineering firm to help set it up I will attach a flat hat to my crash helmet at less than the 12 degrees and see what happens. Perhaps I could make it adjustable like an F1 car wing and come in every 2 laps for it to be adjusted, but I will need pit crew.
Dick M :-
I thought the passenger seat was to put your tools and spares on ! The solution you propose has been tried sucessfully, see my previous picture posting.They seem to be devoid of any aerodynamic effect such as lift, but drag does seem to be consideration. Could the club stock the item with a MMM logo, once we have all agreed on the preferred deseign. I can see a MMM year book article in the making here.
Regards
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Edited by - Dow on 26/05/2010 12:14:33 |
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