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Paul Curtain
Australia
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 Posted - 18/11/2013 : 23:14:18
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What is the recent history of these 2 cars?
I was at the RM auction of K3001 and was told by various MG people that the only orginal part was the warranty plate?
K3 Dossier book..states 1988 Peter Gregory claims to have "remains".
While a Mr Cobb has the engine and "some " of the chassis bits.
So how much of the car is original?
K3003 ,having scene this car at a show,looked to me like car made out of current parts bins available from current suppliers.
How much of this car is original? |
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MG Perth
Australia
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Posted - 19/11/2013 : 12:46:29
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Hello Paul
I am currently writing a book on K3003 and the Mille Miglia cars. K3003 was restored many years ago by Phillip Bayne-Powell and has been in Australia since the 1980s. The car was refurbished for the 80th anniversary of the Mille Miglia and Ulster Tourist Trophy wins. While it's history has been greatly debated in the past, it is now recognised as the genuine car. You will be able to read the full story when by book is released next year. |
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John Reid
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/11/2013 : 20:19:14
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Before Philip bought K3003 it was being restored by the late Dr Stuart Milton, who lived in Oxford in the 1960s. I think he acquired it from Michael Ellman-Brown. During term time, I used to help Stuart both with this project and also the Le Mans M-type. I remember him having the dumb iron analysed in some detail using various metallurgical techniques because the chassis number was not immediately obvious, and at the time I remember only being able to discern K3--3. Memories from 50 years ago!
This is what Colin Butchers posted in May 2011: 04/05/2011
David, You have come upon what could possibly be the proverbial "can of worms" frequently associated with the history of the K3s ! The original JB 1475 (chassis number K3003) as driven by "Bill" Wisdom, George Eyston etc. was last heard of (so far as I am aware), in Germany in 1953 when it was badly damaged in an accident and has not put in an appearance since. There is a second K3 chassis which was unearthed by Michael Ellman-Brown in the 1960s and subsequently rebuilt by Philip Bayne-Powell which is thought to have emerged in pre-war years but the chassis number cannot be clearly discerned. Much forensic examination was carried out and the best that could be traced was "K3**3" and therefore this chassis is referred to either as "K33" or "The other K3003". Phil B-P was able to have the Registration Number JB 1475 allocated (or re-allocated !) to the car, and this is the car which was sold to the Peter Briggs Museum in Perth, Australia. I think that it has since been sold but is still somewhere in Australia.
Whether the two cars are in fact one and the same is beyond my scope of knowledge !
Colin Butchers.
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Peter Green
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/11/2013 : 20:36:09
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As far as I know Peter Briggs still owns the car, he entered it in the Mille Miglia this year.
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Paul Curtain
Australia
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Posted - 19/11/2013 : 23:09:19
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| So how much of K3001 is of the original car,or do we not know? |
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MG Perth
Australia
37 Posts |
Posted - 20/11/2013 : 00:30:46
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Mike Allison's interview with Jacko which were recently published in Safety Fast explain how the second K3003 was sent to Germany and the Eyston/Nuvolari K3003 remained at the factory. The German K3003 no longer exists, save for a small number of parts. Who has the engine which was stamped K33?
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IanG
Australia
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MG Perth
Australia
37 Posts |
Posted - 20/11/2013 : 04:44:18
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No, that is just a preview of the main book which will be a major production.
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Dan F
USA
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Posted - 20/11/2013 : 10:27:04
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Graeme:
I sent you an email via the forum regarding my interest in your book. If you did not get, please email at danf19@comcast.net.
thanks
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/11/2013 : 11:16:37
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Graeme
Your forthcoming book sounds very interesting.
Perhaps you can keep us all posted via this web site as to when it will be available for sale?
I am sure our Librarian Peter Hemmings would also be interested in selling copies via our library.
Regards
George
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Gerhard Maier
Germany
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Posted - 21/11/2013 : 09:39:47
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Fortunately Jacko Jackson told the story about the two K3003's so detailed during morning coffee break, that now the Australian owner is sure about how genuine and valuable his car is !!
Gerhard
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