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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25/05/2020 : 21:01:18
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Originally posted by wiggy963
In a picture taken at the Cultra Hill Climb, of the gathering of non competing cars during the Simon Johnstone Ulster Tour 2016, there is what looks like an L2 painted in Evans colours, 2nd left 2nd row. There were two L2s in the entry list for the Ulster event MG47 L20534 and BZ1695 L2004. Is the car in the picture the Evans car or simply a car painted in the Evans colours ? I imagine that Simon will know more. And will hopefully be more skilled at me in attaching the picture.
Sorry, Brian , I missed this post of yours. As mentioned by Terry Wilson (spatek) above, the blue L2 was indeed the Ashton-Rigby one which has been owned for many years by Malcolm Newman. Sadly the other L2, L2004, the engine of which is pictured above, didn’t make it.
Simon J
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Edited by - Simon Johnston on 25/05/2020 21:20:08 |
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Geoff.Broadhead
New Zealand
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Posted - 27/05/2020 : 09:13:12
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Thanks for all the feedback and for the photos posted from Oliver.
I wonder if the young looking Doreen Evans sat in the second of Oliver's photos (with Wilkie and her Father in the background) is, in fact,the same L2 as in my original posting - but with the swept wings removed?
Simon suggested the L2 Doreen raced may have been second-hand, hence no trace in the Register records. Whilst this is certainly a possibility I think it unlikely - Doreen's Father always wanted the best for his daughter (what Father doesn't?)but in his case he could afford it! Also as far as I am aware, all the Evans /Bellevue MGs were new - only RA 0251 & 0253 were secondhand.
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Westbury
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/05/2020 : 10:12:26
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What a book that would make, ‘ A History of The Belle Vue Garages ( MG cars and the Evans Family ) ‘
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6559 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2020 : 10:35:43
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Geoff,
I would venture to suggest that the car in your photo at the top of the thread is indeed the same one in the picture of the car at Brooklands - note the way the white 'coach line' is slightly out of line where the bonnet joins the scuttle. And we know, or at least we assume we do, from the photo Cathelijne posted that this car is MG 2949 which was apparently L2047. Given that there’s no record of an L2 having been sold to Bellevue Garage (not Garages) and Service Stations Ltd. (to give it its full title) the conclusion must be that they acquired the car second hand, perhaps specifically as a track car. Note the 'slick' track tyres on the photo from Oliver.
P.S. Don’t forget, also, that the L2 wasn’t acquired until 1934, perhaps just in time for the June Brooklands meeting, by which time the car was out of production for over six months and almost certainly no longer available new.
Simon J
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Edited by - Simon Johnston on 27/05/2020 10:40:47 |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6559 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2020 : 13:42:21
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Just a further thought re the timing of the acquisition of the L2: Mike Allison says in his Yearbook article that it was a birthday present for Doreen. I think it’s generally accepted that she was given her J2 for her seventeenth birthday in 1933 so perhaps she got the L2 for her eighteenth, which was on 4 June 1934, just over three weeks before the Brooklands meeting at which she’s pictured above. Just enough time to get the car painted in the family colours! Of course this doesn’t resolve the conflict of registration numbers but the photographic evidence is very persuasive - it was L2047/MG 2949 she drove
Simon J
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Nick Dean
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/05/2020 : 17:58:46
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When I bought the wreck of MG2949 in approximately 1975, it came with a set of old number plates, and was purchased in Malmsbury, Wiltshire. I was told the 2 seater body was fitted in the 1940;s. It came with a full set of swept wings, which as you see I changed to cycle type. It went very well in my 10 years of ownership. Nick.
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LewPalmer
USA
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Posted - 27/05/2020 : 18:11:27
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According to the University Motors listing of MG registration marks, MG2949 is indeed L2047, although now carried by L0699 4 seater.
Lew Palmer
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Edited by - LewPalmer on 27/05/2020 18:13:31 |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6559 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2020 : 18:21:16
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From the Register online database of photos
Perhaps what we have here is an amalgamation of two crashed cars and for whatever reason the identity of MG 2949 - L2047 - and its bonnet were united with the chassis of MG 2994 - L0699.
Do we know what engine is in L0699 today?
Simon J
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Edited by - Simon Johnston on 27/05/2020 18:22:23 |
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George Eagle
United Kingdom
3300 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2020 : 12:05:54
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With regards to L2012 further information does show that there is no connection between the Evans family and this car.
As far as we can establish, it would appear that the only L2 with a connection to Doreen Evans is L2047.
George
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Edited by - George Eagle on 29/05/2020 12:12:47 |
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Geoff.Broadhead
New Zealand
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Posted - 31/05/2020 : 03:50:05
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Thank you all for the informed and interesting replies on this Forum to my question "which L Type did Doreen Evans race"? Great detection work Simon, noticing the discrepancy in the white 'coach-line'. I had come to the same (less reliable) conclusion the pictures showed the same car from the poorly fitting driver's door in both photos.
It is a shame that L2047 no longer exists (except those parts now on L0699). I guess that over the intervening 80 years period we are lucky that so many of the cars she raced /trialed do still survive.
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Rossco
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/05/2023 : 20:02:06
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Picking up an old thread here but I think the car discussed is no. 7 is these Brooklands photos from August bank holiday 1934
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Rossco
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/05/2023 : 20:03:39
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mrsimonazzi
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2025 : 21:35:32
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The engine in L0699 is 859AL
I bought this car recently
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Allan Wettenhall
Australia
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Posted - 12/05/2025 : 06:47:23
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| Enough thank you,everybody LO617 retires from the subject. |
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Doreen Evans. MG L2.
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