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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6303 Posts

Posted - 14/03/2024 :  15:54:33  Show Profile
This D Type is for sale - https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1931-mg-d-type-8Gx72g - apparently having had a J2 body fitted by the factory in 1939.

Plausible?

Simon J
J3437

Edited by - Simon Johnston on 14/03/2024 15:54:58

DK6780

United Kingdom
345 Posts

Posted - 14/03/2024 :  16:58:03  Show Profile
..... and a J2 engine and gearbox ......?

A pretty car but a very odd proposition in its current form with Morris 8 / MM engine and box.
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DK6780

United Kingdom
345 Posts

Posted - 14/03/2024 :  17:06:20  Show Profile
It seems to have been registered as 826UXH at some point, and has the chassis plate shown below on the bulkhead.





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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6303 Posts

Posted - 14/03/2024 :  17:32:08  Show Profile
The guarantee plate doesn’t look very convincing. The engine number is in the same font as the car number and far too uniform. The engine number would have been hand stamped and not in the same font as the car number. Plus, the addition of the letter J to both car number and engine number seems dodgy, to say the least. Even if the factory did all the things claimed, they wouldn’t surely have changed the car's chassis number in this way.

It would certainly be interesting to see the documentation supporting the claimed changes.

Simon J
J3437
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KevinA

New Zealand
681 Posts

Posted - 14/03/2024 :  20:42:53  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Simon Johnston

The guarantee plate doesn’t look very convincing. The engine number is in the same font as the car number and far too uniform. The engine number would have been hand stamped and not in the same font as the car number. Plus, the addition of the letter J to both car number and engine number seems dodgy, to say the least. Even if the factory did all the things claimed, they wouldn’t surely have changed the car's chassis number in this way.

It would certainly be interesting to see the documentation supporting the claimed changes.



Simon J
J3437





Yes. The fonts are all wrong, as is the layout and the two monstrous dots under the Ltd. It would seem to be a butchered version of this particularly nasty repro




Edited by - KevinA on 14/03/2024 20:43:58
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6303 Posts

Posted - 14/03/2024 :  20:51:30  Show Profile






Simon J
J3437
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sam christie

United Kingdom
3129 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  09:36:53  Show Profile







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sam christie

United Kingdom
3129 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  10:53:13  Show Profile
There is a picture of D0301 in the MG D Group list of 'Survivors'.
The very rare and strangely recent looking pre war colour photograph must have been taken prior to 1939 when the car still had a D-type body. Well worth a look.



Sam
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DK6780

United Kingdom
345 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  11:20:27  Show Profile


This one? I too would place the photo as much more modern, but apart from the front wings am not confident about which body is fitted.
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6303 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  11:30:52  Show Profile
D0301 would be one of the original short chassis cars with a 7’ 0” wheelbase compared to 7’ 2” of the later Ds and Js. I wonder how the J2 body accommodates this? Perhaps a shorter bonnet?

Simon J
J3437
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DK6780

United Kingdom
345 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  13:46:03  Show Profile
Would that not give an issue with the length of the steering column? I've never understood where the extra 2" went in the later D types compared to the earlier ones.
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sam christie

United Kingdom
3129 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  15:41:00  Show Profile
Under 'Conditions' the ad says -

"Very nice two-seater body, presumably modified by the factory in 1939 from a four-seater"


Sam
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mike.g

United Kingdom
90 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  17:36:55  Show Profile
Looks very much like an Exchange and Mart Bitza to me. Odd headlamps, sidelamps, horn, spotlight,dashboard,front wings,brake drums,petrol tank,door locks,hood/tonneau fixings,windscreen mounts,electrics, near side bonnet side and bonnet clips. It might look pretty but to make it a proper D Type or decent J2 copy would cost a fortune especially with the need to aquire a MMM engine and gearbox. At the price it is I think the vendor should grab the money and run ! However, I regularly look at Car and Classics on line web site and am amazed at the prices some private sellers and traders in Europe seek for our type of cars this being no exception.

m.j.gooch
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6303 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  19:03:45  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by mike.g

Looks very much like an Exchange and Mart Bitza to me. Odd headlamps, sidelamps, horn, spotlight,dashboard,front wings,brake drums,petrol tank,door locks,hood/tonneau fixings,windscreen mounts,electrics, near side bonnet side and bonnet clips.



But apart from this, Mike, what do you think of it?

Exchange and Mart Bitza! I love it

Simon J
J3437
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KevinA

New Zealand
681 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  19:18:24  Show Profile
Sam- what is your top photo from of the plate without the change oil line?
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huw

United Kingdom
12 Posts

Posted - 15/03/2024 :  19:38:47  Show Profile
Here is some more information https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/80179251-mg-d-type-1931 including a picture of the knuckle (see image 42).
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