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Rob Bell
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 28/03/2024 : 13:25:47
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I shall need to post an update on my research of 2M/337's past, but in a nutshell, I am stuck: I know its history from 1956, and I know it was originally supplied to The Morris Garage on Queen Street in Oxford, July 1929 - but the 27 years in between is a near complete mystery - other than the eBay photo taken in 1929 in Wales and a Henlys, Bristol dealership badge (this was an Austin distributor at the time)... although the exact vintage of this enamel badge is unknown.
The Kithead Trust were not able to help, and Oxford Borough Council records only has the original taxation document (thanks for those suggestions Chris).
I do have the buff-coloured log bock. Which is interesting, in that only two keepers are registered on it, dating back to CE Veck from 1956 (the car being kept in Middlesex according to a hand-written note).
The document does also note a change of colour from black to green (interesting, as it was blue when first supplied, and red now...)
Apologies - I am finally getting to the two questions I had in mind:
(1) Would this log book not have included prior keepers to 1956?
I presume it is a replacement issued in 1956; it is in very good condition for a near 70 year old paper document.
(2) Would the DVLA have kept records of previous owners prior to 1956 (I can request this information via a V888 form)?
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JMH
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/03/2024 : 15:18:43
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Rob, you have the continuation log book. Original buff log books were stamped every year when the car was taxed, so filled up in time & then a replacement would be issued & so on. Old logbooks were retained by the area authority. Some (particularly those in the London area were lost in the war). When everything was centralised in Swansea the old logbooks were mostly pulped, but buff continuation log books coul (I think) be retained by the owner when new style registration documents were issued. Dad had a friend in the local council who told him that he could get surrendered logbooks from the local authority before they were pulped if he asked - he did & a complete set (4 full logbooks) for J2396 duly arrived. This was about 1971/2 if I recall correctly.
Some local authorities may (in a typically efficient way) might have continued to store old log books in some dusty basement , you never know.
JH
Apparently; with the old system, as records were held locally whenever the registered keepers address changed local areas; all records were transferred, hence the complete set for J2396 were sitting in Wiltshire County Records Office in the early 70s. |
Edited by - JMH on 28/03/2024 15:26:46 |
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Rob Bell
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/03/2024 : 16:18:19
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That's really interesting, thank you!
The last stamps are for London CC and then The Greater London Council. What do you reckon as to the chances of anything surviving??? Close to zero? |
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Rob Bell
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/03/2024 : 17:08:20
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| I think I shall try completing the V888 to the DVLA and see what that comes back with. But if there are any other suggestions (or experiences with records from the former GLC/ LCC) please do let me know! |
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George Wilder
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/03/2024 : 19:03:35
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Rob
You will find all the old GLC/LCC records were destroyed with the advent of the DVLA in 1984.
Many later car owners with cars supplied and registered through University Motors in London do not have access to pre 1984 records.
Here in Essex the records were preserved by stroke of luck and can be found in the County Records Office.
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Rob Bell
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/03/2024 : 21:41:42
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Thanks George - I feared as much.
The last “home” for the M type was in Sidcup, Kent: I think that that fell under the auspices of the GLC…
I’ll apply for the DVLA records, but I have a hunch that this will only come back with the same two names I - and the register - already know about.
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