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nmears
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 15/09/2024 : 14:22:12
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Hi there I’m interested to learn the whereabouts of Birkin and Rubin’s K3. I’d it still out there?
Thanks Neil
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Nick Feakes
USA
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Posted - 15/09/2024 : 14:58:28
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Neil
According to the Register, K3002 was last heard of some time ago in Australia
Nick
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6302 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2024 : 15:39:34
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There are two pages of detailed history to be found in The Hawke History of MMM Competition Cars, edited by Karl Wiessmann and available from the Register Library - see https://triple-mshop.org/products-page/books/
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nmears
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/09/2024 : 16:51:52
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Hi Nick and Simon,
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly, I really appreciate it. I’m in contact with Graeme Cocks so will ask him if he knows anything.
Cheers again
Neil
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6302 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2024 : 19:37:14
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I’m assured that K3002 is alive and well and in regular use in the care of Adam Berryman whose family have owned it for more than 40 years.
Simon J
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nmears
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/09/2024 : 21:06:05
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That’s amazing! Have there ever been plans to reunite the three cars?
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2133 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2024 : 10:07:36
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Hello, Simon.
Great pictures, thanks. I am puzzled by the odd positioning of the front brake cables on the K3.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6302 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2024 : 12:02:11
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Might they be hydraulics, Chris?
Simon J
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6302 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2024 : 13:10:53
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Apparently the car has had hydraulic brakes for many years.
Simon J
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2133 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2024 : 14:10:12
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Thanks, Simon.
I thought that but it’s an unusual position for the hydraulic pipe to be placed. I can only assume it had to be necessary!
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/09/2024 : 07:38:13
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Chris,
It’s a hose, not a pipe and apparently having hydraulic cylinders top and bottom makes it easier to bleed. (It’s a twin leading shoe system.)
Simon J
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2133 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2024 : 11:22:54
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Thanks, Simon.
A hose pipe!!!
Cheers,
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coracle
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/09/2024 : 12:45:12
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Interesting revelations on the hydraulic hose/pipe routing. I have a two leading shoe set up with cylinders top and bottom and have been mulling over the possible bleed drawbacks with the nipple on the bottom one.
This could be avoided by making the hose connection to the bottom and sighting the nipple on the top cylinder but with the odd hose/pipe routing that the illustrated K3 has.
I was encouraged by spotting a car in the Paddock at Mallory a couple of weeks ago which had the arrangement as shown in my photo and I thus concluded that this set up must be usable.
The top hose/pipe connection could be cracked to aid bleeding or if all else fails then the connections can be switched. I have yet to commission and bleed the system.
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Oz34
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/09/2024 : 12:52:47
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I'm amazed that such a long bridging pipe is unsupported. There is a golden opportunity to do so at the point where the cable stop would have been fitted.
Also the photo has been set "right side up" while I was typing. I suppose it was obvious anyway but that really is not the ideal set-up for bleeding as Nigel has queried. Far better to have the nipple at the highest point. Hence probably the "strange" hose arrangement on K3002.
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coracle
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/09/2024 : 12:57:41
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[quote]Originally posted by Oz34
I'm amazed that such a long bridging pipe is unsupported.
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That is already on my "Check off list"; the ultimate Chekhov short story? |
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Bathurst
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Posted - 14/11/2024 : 03:33:42
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In reply to the query was there ever an attempt to bring the first three production K3s together my answer is a definite YES.
For the Biennial National Rally of the Pre-war MG Register of Australia in 2015 at Bathurst I attempted to bring together K3752 (second prototype), Adam Berryman's K3002, Peter Briggs' K3003 and Brandon Smith Hilliard's K3001 as well as Bruce Croft's K3004.
K3752, K3002, K3003 and K3004 were all already in Australia so I prevailed on Brandon to make up the historic five by shipping his K3001 to Aus for the gathering. He sadly said that the costs were out of his reach due to the expense of his daughter's education! I tried several avenues for sponsorship on his behalf without success. As it turned out K3003 was delayed in shipment back from Europe where Peter Briggs had been on rallies and it didn't arrive in time. K3752 was declared hors de combat but would have come on a trailer if K3001 did attend the rally. Regretfully neither K3002 and K3004 put in an appearance that year so all my efforts resulted in a big fat zero! Disappointing, but such is life. One can only try! On the plus side 75 Pre-war MGs attended the 2015 Rally which is the largest known number collectively in Australia in the one place at the same time and will probably never be surpassed.
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