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Orstin
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 08/04/2025 : 13:11:58
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Well,yes... because I also know that Archie and his Mother moved on from Hills Rd to Portugal Place in Cambridge. But I hadn;t added that bit of minutiae
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Edited by - Orstin on 08/04/2025 13:13:46 |
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Franklin
USA
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Posted - 08/04/2025 : 14:18:03
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Unlike me, you guys have been right more than you've been wrong so I'm interested to see what will turn up from your continued investigations.
Kevin, I was unaware the original registration records might exist. Anything you find in the records will be very helpful information.
Hugh, now that you've revealed that Archie moved on from 163 Hills Road, wouldn't that departure time frame help to date the picture? I'm back to thinking it is pre - 1958.
I look forward to your next posts.
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Orstin
United Kingdom
673 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2025 : 17:13:23
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Yes, I'm meeting up with my pal to get more information as is known. I didn't want to go into that level of detail yet until I had a coherent picture of any time line..A date of the move is one of the things I will be looking for as that will (may) help narrow down a date for the photo...
Hugh
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6535 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2025 : 17:47:07
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Originally posted by Franklin
I'm back to thinking it is pre - 1958.
I personally think there’s no doubt it’s pre-1958. Now that we know what the CLXIII Club was, i.e. the lads meeting in ASB's flat in the house just visible through the trees in the photo, it’s hard to believe that he was dead given the jocular nature of the comment. Add to that the fact that he apparently had moved from this flat at some stage before his death so a line up of cars would surely suggest one of those meetings was taking place, i.e. before he moved
Simon J
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Cooperman
United Kingdom
790 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2025 : 17:59:41
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Originally posted by Franklin
Thank you John. It's an interesting thought but if the "club" was named for the year 1963 I would expect to see more modern cars on the street. The cars shown indicate it is a picture from the mid fifties.
Now that we've learned the buildings in the picture are located at 167 Hills Road in Cambridge, my guess is there was an establishment at 163 Hills Road that the car owners tended to frequent - a pub perhaps? - and that is the origin of the name.
All still open for discussion and yet to be determined.
Dick
But if its a University club maybe all those cars are together and as I recall in 1963 none of my fellow students had cars newer that about 1957, and they were the rich ones, I brought my first 18/80 in 1963 for £15.00!!
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george
United Kingdom
888 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2025 : 15:02:04
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In June 1953 Archie SB drove a Tojiero at Snetterton in an event run by the West Essex car club . The list of entrants is of interest as it may have the owners of some of the cars in the first photo, Amongst others Cliff Davis [joy 500],Peter Gammon,T Dargue and several other MGs .I have tried to download the programme but basic tech ignorance prevailed. Geoff
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KevinA
New Zealand
712 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2025 : 16:32:47
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I have had a response from the very helpful East Sussex County records office.
NJ 8074 was first registered to a B. Gray, The Glen, Stonebridge, Wadhurst for a MG Coupe on 29th January 1936.
That is the only information they have on file for it.
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Franklin
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2025 : 17:11:10
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Kevin this registration information should prove to be extremely helpful. I have contacted George Eagle, the registrar of N Types, and Lew Palmer, the registrar of MMM cars for the North American MMM Register and requested their assistance to search the available files and match the information you have provided to a specific MG. I'm optimistic they will be able to identify this car.
Thank You,
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LewPalmer
USA
3333 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2025 : 20:07:48
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I found a little more of the apparent original registrant of NJ8074:
Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Basil Gray 20 Dec 1874 Male Bank Official Retired Single 7 1
Agnes Wallace 12 Mar 1903 Female Housekeeper Single 7 2
Robert L Hemsley 30 Oct 1923 Male Handyman In House Garden Single 7 3
Male
Transcript of Basil's record
First name(s) Basil
County Sussex
Last name(s) Gray
Country England
Birth date 20 Dec 1874
E. D. letter code EKPT
Birth day 20
Schedule 7
Birth month 12
Schedule sub number 1
Birth year 1874
Archive reference RG101/2560E/002/27
Sex Male
Piece number 2560E
Marital status Single
Item number 2
Occupation Bank Official Retired
Line number 27
Address The Glen Stone Bridge, Wadhurst
Record set 1939 Register
Place Uckfield R.D.
Category Census, Land & Substitutes
Borough / district Uckfield R.D.
Subcategory Census
County Sussex
Collections from Great Britain, England, Wales
No word on when he died, but obviously not a young man when he bought/registered the car in 1936 at age 57.
Lew Palmer
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6535 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2025 : 20:25:18
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Originally posted by LewPalmer
… but obviously not a young man when he bought/registered the car in 1936 at age 57.
Speak for yourself, Lew! 
Simon J
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KevinA
New Zealand
712 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2025 : 00:47:20
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Originally posted by LewPalmer
No word on when he died, but obviously not a young man when he bought/registered the car in 1936 at age 57.
Lew Palmer
PA1169, NA0651
Looks like he died in Tonbridge in 1956, although it seems he also got married in 1950 to a Ms Ash so he may not have been young but.....
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LewPalmer
USA
3333 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2025 : 19:38:36
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I am now convinced that the fist photo in this thread (the one that started this guessing game) is indeed related to Archie Scott-Brown. If you will examine the crowd gathered around the TD (fourth in line) and compare it to the photos I found of Archie driving his TD, you will notice the driving lamp mounted on the front of the car. The original photo is not distinct enough to make out the number plate, but I am pretty certain it is his TD.
I will attempt to post the photos of Archie's TD in a subsequent post.
Lew Palmer
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Edited by - LewPalmer on 12/04/2025 19:45:27 |
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LewPalmer
USA
3333 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2025 : 19:44:04
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Lew Palmer
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6535 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2025 : 20:10:56
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Plausible, Lew, but the spotlight seems a bit closer to the wing in the original photo, almost directly below the headlight.
Simon J
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LewPalmer
USA
3333 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2025 : 23:03:51
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So granted, Simon. However, I also have a photo of Archie's car with the driving light removed, so it's possible that it was used and replaced at various times. I know this is chasing minutia, but what else does an old Airline ex-owner and enthusiast have to do in his old age? <grin>
It may also be attributed to the two different angles at which the photos were taken.
Lew Palmer
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Edited by - LewPalmer on 12/04/2025 23:06:24 |
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