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sam christie
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13/06/2014 : 16:07:20
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Can anyone identify which of the two Le Mans Midgets this is and the context of the picture?
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Vitesse
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/06/2014 : 20:11:10
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| The '18B' suggests the LCC Relay Race: background looks like Railway Straight at Brooklands. |
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/06/2014 : 18:09:13
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I can confirm that it wasn't the 1932 LCC Relay, as I have a program for that event and 18B was a Worsley Harris Special, driven by Miss V. Worsley. As that was the second such race and took place in 1932, I would suggest the 1931 relay is when the pic was taken.
Regards,
Graham
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Vitesse
United Kingdom
234 Posts |
Posted - 14/06/2014 : 18:57:32
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1931 looks probable. Austin Harris has five pictures and a report on his website: torrential rain was certainly a feature of the day. Of the finishing MGs we can eliminate the Earl of March (report says he was in 3B) S Pepper (23 team) and The Hon Mrs Chetwynd (obviously!). So, unless the team retired, that leaves us with Robin Jackson and CE Wood as possible drivers.
http://www.austinharris.co.uk/article/the-relay-grand-prix-july-1931 |
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
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Posted - 14/06/2014 : 22:29:46
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It's indeed the 1931 LCC Relay Race. The green 18B was driven by C.E. Wood. Can't tell at the minute what sort of car the 'A' car was, but it was certainly not an M.G. The 'C' car was another 847cc Midget. This one was driven by A. Jones and was blue. Team entrant was C. Anthony.
In total 11 C-types and 5 M-types were entered. |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/06/2014 : 09:03:00
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I have just had word from Ron New that this picture is from a negative. My guess is that it has not been published before (apart from appearing on the excellent Pre War Minor Network).
In one of the Austin Harris pictures it shows three Ulsters together but to the right in the background it looks like the front of an MG though it is hard to make out any detail at low resolution. Could it be 18B ?
I wonder if 18Bwas the Samuelson car or the second Le Mans car.There is a distinctive hoop (for want of a better word) behind the seat backs) and this device is also visible in the well known Mounty Fane Le Mans Midget picture below. Is it a safety feature to protect the occupants from the petrol tank? Did both cars have this feature?
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Edited by - sam christie on 15/06/2014 09:04:58 |
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/06/2014 : 09:05:49
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C.Anthony's car was an Aston Martin - the winning teams were Captain Waite's blown A7s, C.Anthonys team won 'The Light Car and Cyclecar' Challenge Cup as 'the entrant of the first team which ran to schedule and finished the race within qualifying time', according to good ol' Motor Sport!
Regards,
Graham
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3156 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2014 : 16:59:20
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This is the detail in the Austinharris picture. Is that a supercharger? But probably not 18B. Is it a C-type?
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Edited by - sam christie on 15/06/2014 17:01:18 |
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
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Posted - 15/06/2014 : 18:28:50
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| Definitely a C-type in my view! Supercharger cowl and humped scuttle in sight. |
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O.Thomas
United Kingdom
755 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2014 : 18:33:17
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| C type radiator , cap and wing stays as well! |
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tjackson
Australia
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Posted - 18/06/2014 : 12:09:47
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Great pictures Sam.
Does anyone know the significance of the location of the second photo (posted 15/06)? The location appears identical to the 1933 photo of the LeMans J3 (shown on p 58 of MG Competition Cars and Drivers), although the young boy peering over the M-type tail looks a couple of years older. Given the apparently French setting, could the location be of significance to the MG teams?
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sam christie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/06/2014 : 12:55:41
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I must give the credit for finding the 18B picture entirely to Ron New who has the negative. The picture detail revealing the C-type in the background is of course the Austin harris site. I think the '28' picture has appeared in several MG related articles. I have checked with Ron about his picture and he has expressed no objection to sharing it here.
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
746 Posts |
Posted - 18/06/2014 : 12:56:32
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1930 Le Mans, isn't it? There's a few pics of the two C-types competing at Le Mans in 1931 in about the same setting.
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O.Thomas
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/06/2014 : 13:13:36
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| Have 2 shots of c types in the location and I have seen reference to it being outside samualsons sisters house in Paris. The above photo being of samualsons c type. |
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Mike the M
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/09/2014 : 19:57:13
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18B was indeed the Murton-Neal car 2M 1675, which retired with a broken crank shaft at Le Mans in June 1930.
It was then bought by C. H. Darrell Berthon, (who went on to run the Bentley Drivers Club), and he did a hill climb at Shelseley, an MCC Brooklands meeting and the MCC Sporting trial in Derbyshire.(See top photo.)
In 1931 it was bought by C. E. Wood who did the JCC Brooklands meeting in July 1931, ( see bottom photo) and a LCC Buxton trial in September 1931.
In about 1971 it was owned by Stuart Milton in Oxford, and by 1986 the remains were with Hamish McNinch, where they, I believe,they still are.
Photos from Beaulieu.
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Mike the M
United Kingdom
485 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2014 : 20:42:20
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Looking again at the Austin Harris website and the report of the relay race in 1931, Harold Parker is well known as the driver of the 18/100 Tigress in the 1930 12/12 and worked for Shell Mex. after the war as a retired Major was an R.A.C. official. But who were A. Jones, and the entrant C. Anthony?
Why, oh why, did they lump all the MG's together as Midgets? It makes our life very difficult!
Therefore, did Jones and Parker drive M types or C types?
Again more questions than answers!
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