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searunner
Italy
24 Posts |
 Posted - 11/01/2016 : 11:49:21
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I am new from MMM forum
But not from veterans cars-in my garage I have a MG TD and one completely restored fro me Austin Healey 100/6-
HELP is NEEDED
Some year ago one of my friends acquired one J2 in UK
I have appreciate a lot the line of this car and in particular the mechanics, I am one estimator of top engineering on cars.
I follow from a lot of time the MMM site -falling in love for
the SIX cylinder engine, but all this cars was over my budget.
I have find recently one PA -the conditions are poor,price high
body was restored but bubbles of rust appear on wings -evidently the work wasn't good and new paint is required -chassis condition unknown-
automatic oily system is not present - brakes MOD to hydraulic
and the engine and gearbox aren't the original- it appear to me as a Midget 1098 engine
But the radiator and the body-dash-firewall with all the accessory
coil, pump, regulator,wheels and tires appear original including
the spare rear wheel, head lamp and turn signals
ONLY the lateral turn signals aren't present (is this one anomalia ?-I have see some PA without trafficators)
tag in the engine bay is PA 0870
Is this car know in the register ? and have one history ?javascript:insertsmilie(' ')
My intention, if I obtain a fair price, is to restore chassis and
body - and waiting a lucky break to find a engine and appropriate gearbox
Comments and guidance welcome
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Widung
Sweden
189 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2016 : 13:32:23
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The Register of 2013 shows PA0870 as owned by Alan White, Ex 4-seater.
Jan Widung
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Nick Feakes
USA
3500 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2016 : 14:42:31
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Andrea
Welcome to the forum. The first thing to do is to confirm the chassis number. This was stamped on the front of the chassis, on the driver's side on the front of the part that has the bolt that holds the front of the driver's side road spring. You might have to remove the cover (known as the apron) that is in front of the radiator. Photograph it if you can. The brass plate with the number may or may not be correct for that car. In any event, please send the picture of the chassis number to Dick Morbey (who is also our chairman), he is looking after the register for the P-types, his email address is on the "Contacts" page.
An original engine and gearbox will be VERY expensive if you can find one and you can expect to spend a great deal of money overhauling it. Dynamos and starters are also hard to find.
Any and all questions you may have will be answered by someone on this forum, we are all here to help.
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etlanpa
United Kingdom
560 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2016 : 15:03:38
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Surely if the price is 'high' and it has a non-original engine & gearbox it would be best to walk away from this one?
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searunner
Italy
24 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 01:23:06
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Thanks for replies
especially to Jan for the info, I argue that car is modified-actually it appear as a two seats
Hi Nik
My first preoccupation was to ask for the engraved chassis number,
the seller confirmed that it are present and correspond to the tag number and to the V5C registration, but no photos was sent to me.
I know the difficulty to find a engine overhauled
same for the gearbox - Tanks a lot for your advice-My nature was
too many optimist.
etlanpaConsidered that alien engine/gearbox and car was declared driver
My proposal was for GBP14K but was refused by the seller
I attempt to joint a photo - take care that from the others in my possession- this appear to be shot year ago
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Brian Kelly
USA
526 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 03:17:51
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An interesting photo, Andrea.
Would you know the chassis number of this car? Are you the owner?
Unusual to see the Arabic plates. I recall Chris Nowlan In New Hampshire
owning J2 J4169 which still carried its Moroccan plates which were issued from new.
Brian.
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Ian Bowers
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 07:39:40
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I guess that, in all this, there is one caveat: don't pass over any money until you have seen and checked out the car, pay no deposit, pay nothing other than directly into the hands of the car's owner!
Ian Bowers
OD 6791
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etlanpa
United Kingdom
560 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 07:39:47
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Out of interest, what is the asking price?
I'm no expert on P types, but the wheel rims & headlamps don't look right to me...
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searunner
Italy
24 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 08:33:20
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Originally posted by Brian Kelly
An interesting photo, Andrea.
Would you know the chassis number of this car? Are you the owner?
Unusual to see the Arabic plates.
Brian.
Hi Brian
Chassis PA0870 assumed, no photo of chassis or tag from the seller
No Arabian plates probably photoshop effect
to incentive the discussion I post one more photo of the engine bay
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searunner
Italy
24 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 08:39:53
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[i don't pass over any money until you have seen and checked out the car, pay no deposit, pay nothing other than directly into the hands of the car's owner!
Ian Bowers
Fair and RIGHT suggestion |
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searunner
Italy
24 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 08:47:21
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Originally posted by etlanpa
Out of interest, what is the asking price?
I'm no expert on P types, but the wheel rims & headlamps don't look right to me...
Headlamps appear strange also at me, I will investigate on the wheel
rim
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Rainier
Netherlands
161 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 09:25:14
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Hi Andrea, welcome to the forum. I am no expert, but recently acquired a P-type myself, so here are my two cents. The side lights don't seem to be the octagonal ones, but it is hard to see on these pictures. Same goes for the brake drums not being original, they don't seem to be the 12" drums used for P-types. Also the supports underneath the headlamps are not original. They should be straight and not slightly curved. They appear to be TA. The radiator is not original, besides a lot of other stuff I see missing from the engine bay.
I would suggest to take a good look at some other PA's before seeing this one for comparison!
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Colin McLachlan
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/01/2016 : 09:45:27
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I agree with all the above comments. The headlamps look like sealed beam conversions, popular in the 60s, I think. The bracket across the back of the radiator is missing, as is the petrol reserve tap (a piece of kit I personally am happy to do without, but more expense if you want originality). Centre laced wheels (should be side laced) and hydraulic brakes (master cylinder can be seen). It should definitely have trafficators, something again I'm happy to do without. In my opinion it could be a fun car as it stands, but bringing back to original would be a lot of work and expense. Three or four years ago I was the underbidder on eBay on a similar J2 with Triumph Spitfire engine. It sold for £10,500.
Colin
Markinch, Fife.
PA 0613
MG3242
Register No. 2591 |
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searunner
Italy
24 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 11:36:21
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Originally posted by Colin McLachlan
I was the underbidder on eBay on a similar J2 with Triumph Spitfire engine. It sold for £10,500.
Colin
Markinch, Fife.
PA 0613
MG3242
Register No. 2591
I agree with you the right price of this car was 10K 1k+/-
I post one other photo to complete the panorama
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3687 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 13:04:44
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Hello Andrea
If this car is indeed PA0870 then we know that it was a University Motors demonstrator car, originally a 4-seater but converted to a 2-seater body some years ago.
We have contact details for the presently listed owner and although I suspect that he sold the car some time ago I will make contact with him to see what additional information he may be able to provide.
Dick Morbey
PA/PB 0743
Frieth, Oxon, UK
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(The car does not currently have a Triple-M Register number.) |
Edited by - DickMorbey on 12/01/2016 13:09:35 |
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Nick Feakes
USA
3500 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2016 : 13:56:25
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Andrea
Are all the instruments present and correct for the car. This is another expensive area to replace if needed. Is the rear axle correct? From what I can see you could expect to spend 15000-20000 GBP if you want to return this car to its original state (assuming you do not want to return it to a four seater!)
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