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powerplus
United Kingdom
599 Posts |
 Posted - 14/10/2016 : 14:49:23
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Whilst noting Chris Little's difficulties in gaining access to original Works drawings, it occurs to me that the Triple-M Register would be the ideal repository for a collection of such important documents which could be held in a database accessed by members through this excellent website.
I believe that copies of many Triple-M Works documents now lie in private hands and through the goodwill of their owners, it would be possible to build a useful collection for the benefit of members and for providing a definitive authority for the continuity of the specifications of our cars.
I suspect that copyright issues should no longer be a problem since the 50-year limit is well passed, but this would need to be confirmed. Perhaps members and the Triple-M Committee may wish to consider this suggestion.
I could offer a few of these documents.
Powerplus.
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2538 Posts |
Posted - 14/10/2016 : 14:53:55
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This sounds a great idea Alan although I myself have nothing to supply.
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2010 Posts |
Posted - 14/10/2016 : 16:47:10
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Excellent idea Alan. Hope those with the powers respond positively!
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McEvoy
United Kingdom
252 Posts |
Posted - 14/10/2016 : 23:00:51
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Alan I agree it is a good idea and I also have a large amount of R Type drawings that I would like to ensure can be used by present & future owners although I realise a somewhat small requirement.
My own view and although a member of the Register Committee whom I'm sure will discuss this matter in due course the problem is a matter of storage and responsibility.
The Register does not have premises as such so it would fall on a Committee Member to store these items in a safe and orderly manner being able to make available the necessary copies.
My own thoughts on this and what I have started albeit in a minor way is to photograph the drawings download to the computer and depending on the quantity burn them to a CD either by group, i.e. engine , chassis etc. This would help to solve the storage problem and maybe the other problems mentioned could be solved by storage and access of the CDs being held by the Archivist at Kimber House now that there is a dedicated Archive Room.
As I said just my own thoughts and not a Committee response.
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2538 Posts |
Posted - 15/10/2016 : 14:12:59
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I think Alan you were thinking on the lines of the current situation where various technical, but not necessarily original MG, documents can be downloaded from the Register's main site?
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Richard Verrill
United Kingdom
346 Posts |
Posted - 15/10/2016 : 16:30:57
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It would be brilliant to have any MMM drawings or specifications available to members. I would suggest any drawings whether they be original in pen or pencil on paper or tracing, copies in blue-print or dyeline should be professionally scanned at original size/colour and saved in PDF file format, these could easily be posted in "Documents Download". The ownership could be credited and of course the original media which probably has some value would remain with the owner. Perhaps a club sub-committee should be set up to acquire, execute and return media for this exercise to ensure security and insurance cover.
Richard
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6119 Posts |
Posted - 16/10/2016 : 08:47:50
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Originally posted by Richard Verrill
It would be brilliant to have any MMM drawings or specifications available to members....... Perhaps a club sub-committee should be set up to acquire, execute and return media for this exercise to ensure security and insurance cover.
Members? Club sub-committee? Are we talking about the M.G. Car Club and its members here?
Simon J
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Orstin
United Kingdom
637 Posts |
Posted - 16/10/2016 : 09:30:07
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I have some experience in this area as I have been running a project in the Austin 7 world to 'digitise' our archive materials. You can see what we've been doing at http://archive.a7ca.org/ I'm not in a position to be involved in a MMM project (I've got enough on my plate with the Austin one!), but would happily talk to anyone who was...
hth...
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powerplus
United Kingdom
599 Posts |
Posted - 16/10/2016 : 20:58:01
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Dave, Chris and Richard. Thank you for your comments in support of my concerns regarding ongoing access to these documents. I have in mind the capture of the original Works drawings which are characterised by the heading " The M.G. Car Company Ltd " together with various boxes which, amongst others, contain a description of the part, the model to which it relates, together with a part number. There may be other documents of similar importance which need to be captured before they are irretrievably lost in the mists of time. As a Register within the main Club our particular interest will be in securing documents relevant to our Triple-M interests, but if such documents continued to be produced subsequent to the Triple-M manufacturing period, then the relevant Registers and the main Club may wish to be involved.
Bob, Thank you also for your contribution which is much appreciated, especially as a holder of some of these drawings. Your actions to make provision for the long term security of these documents clearly supports the view that these are worthy of preservation.
Simon. I am uncertain as to the way forward here as there may need to be a Main Club involvement ( the boundaries of responsibility/action between Register and Club are not apparent to members). However I would expect in the first instance that this is a project for serious consideration, approval, or otherwise, by the Register Committee and their
recommendations for a way forward.
Orstiin. Thanks also for your comments, which confirms the direction of thinking being adopted by other car clubs.
Powerplus.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6119 Posts |
Posted - 16/10/2016 : 22:16:35
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Originally posted by powerplus
the boundaries of responsibility/action between Register and Club are not apparent to members
Alan,
When you say 'members' to whom are you referring?
Simon J
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powerplus
United Kingdom
599 Posts |
Posted - 17/10/2016 : 00:34:13
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Simon,
Being a 'branch' of The MG Car Club Ltd., the Triple-M Register has no separate legal constitution. It would appear that the Register has some delegated powers to act independently through a Committee of Triple-M Register members.That Committee is appointed by other Triple-M members. Triple-M Register members are paid-up members of the MG Car Club, and resulting from their specific interest in, or ownership of, Triple-M cars, are also designated as members of the Triple-M Register.
Those are the 'members' to whom I have referred in the context of my posting. Whilst the extent of powers and duties of the Triple-M Committee are presumably defined, it is not apparent to what extent it can authorise project expenditure, for example.
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6119 Posts |
Posted - 17/10/2016 : 05:39:48
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Alan,
Someone interesting ideas there, not least the notion that having an interest in Triple-M cars makes someone a 'member' of the Triple-M Register, and hopefully our Chairman will weigh in to set things straight.
Simon J
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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
3677 Posts |
Posted - 17/10/2016 : 09:28:42
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Alan is nearly correct - see my posting on the HM The Queen's 90th Birthday, Classic Car Event thread for clarification and an important message for all Forum members! http://www.triple-mregister.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11457
Dick Morbey
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Richard Verrill
United Kingdom
346 Posts |
Posted - 17/10/2016 : 11:20:57
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Thank you Dick for the clarification, it is as I understood the position, Simon's query had me thinking!
Richard
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MaGic_GV
United Kingdom
868 Posts |
Posted - 17/10/2016 : 11:23:18
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[quote]Originally posted by Simon Johnston
Alan,
Someone interesting ideas there, not least the notion that having an interest in Triple-M cars makes someone a 'member' of the Triple-M Register, and hopefully our Chairman will weigh in to set things straight.
Simon J
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Simon, I am not sure I read Alan's message the same as you do - he says "Triple-M Register members are paid-up members of the MG Car Club, and resulting from their specific interest in, or ownership of, Triple-M cars, are also designated as members of the Triple-M Register."
To me, that means that they are members of the MGCC before they can become members of the Triple M Register. Having your car on the Register is another thing entirely.
Of course strictly we are not members of the Triple M Register, we just have our cars listed on it...we are members of the MGCC!
Regards,
Graham
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6119 Posts |
Posted - 17/10/2016 : 12:33:28
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Of course, membership of the MGCC is a given; it's the idea that having an interest in Triple-M cars is of any significance. As you say we aren't members of the Triple-M Register, but if we were to try and define such a status it requires two conditions to be met, namely MGCC membership and ownership of a Triple-M car.
Simon J
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