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George Eagle

United Kingdom
3243 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  10:34:16  Show Profile
I notice there is a car built by the late Peter Gregory in the style of a pointed tail K3. It is to be auctioned by Bonhams at the Goodwood Revival meeting on 17th September.

There is no chassis number mentioned and no Registration number - anyone have any information?

George
Registrar F/L/N types and temporarily K types apart from K3s.

See link.

https://www.prewarcar.com/410883-1935-mg-magnette-k3-replica-goodwood-revival-sale-bonhams-17-sept-2022

Westbury

United Kingdom
2039 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  10:47:30  Show Profile
George, there is another(red) K3 replica/copy for auction at RM Sotheby’s on the 22nd September. (Listed in your link, lower down).
Regards,
Chris

Edited by - Westbury on 03/09/2022 10:52:09
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6162 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  12:43:58  Show Profile
According to the Bonhams auction website the Gregory car is KN0328 with engine number 567A150KN - see https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27523/lot/366/1935-mg-magnette-k3-replica-chassis-no-kn0328-engine-no-567a150kn/


Simon J
J3437
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George Eagle

United Kingdom
3243 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  13:44:53  Show Profile
Thanks Simon.

We have absolutely no info on KN0328 apart from the fact it started life as a pillarless saloon - pity yet another one which has been rebuilt in the style of a K3.

Up to this point we did not know the car had survived.

George
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6162 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  15:48:35  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by George Eagle

Up to this point we did not know the car had survived.



Given its provenance, can we be sure that it has?

Simon J
J3437
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Tim Sharp

United Kingdom
304 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  16:12:18  Show Profile
Guys

Is it interesting that the engine number is quoted to be 567 AKN, which the 2022 Register records to be the engine in KN0322, a KN saloon with Register number 1991?

Regards

Tim

Tim Sharp
PB0685 - Nuneaton
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6162 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  16:31:38  Show Profile
Silly me - this car has been discussed before https://www.triple-mregister.org/forums/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=19745&SearchTerms=Elf,409



Simon J
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Tim Sharp

United Kingdom
304 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  17:12:16  Show Profile
Guys

If it is the same car then some detailing has taken place. Look at the armoured sheath over the sidelight cables on the Bonhams car versus the open cables and white cable tie on the car referred to in the link in Simon's post.

Also the front shock arms are different.

And the SU dashpot sits differently in the tower in the front valance.

Regards

Tim

Tim Sharp
PB0685 - Nuneaton

Edited by - Tim Sharp on 03/09/2022 17:29:40
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6162 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  18:32:41  Show Profile
It’s also interesting to note that the car is now apparently claimed to be KN0328 whereas when last offered for sale it was described thus: “this Peter Gregory built car was constructed with incredible attention to detail by the renowned builder using original chassis number KN328 as a basis for the car.”

Simon J
J3437
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Richard Hardy

United Kingdom
2165 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  21:24:04  Show Profile
Is it just me possibly who thinks this recreation looks broken backed. The scuttle height to me looks way too high and makes the car look stumpy.

Rich

Vintage MG Parts

Edited by - Richard Hardy on 03/09/2022 21:27:46
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6162 Posts

Posted - 03/09/2022 :  21:54:19  Show Profile
I’d thought exactly the same, Rich, but assumed it was just camera angle. But it definitely looks odd. However in the photos when it was previously for sale it looks fine - see https://vandp.net/sales/2102/1934-mg-magnette-kn-sports-to-k3-specification/

Simon J
J3437
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Blue M

United Kingdom
1474 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2022 :  08:24:48  Show Profile
The Bonham's description says "replica chassis number KNO328". So not an actual MG made chassis?
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Tim Sharp

United Kingdom
304 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2022 :  08:47:11  Show Profile
Or is it matter of poor punctuation?

Should "1935 MG Magnette K3 Replica Chassis no. KN0328 Engine no. 567A150KN" have a comma between "Replica" and "Chassis"? and another comma between "KN0328" and "Engine"? or perhaps not?

And surely the engine number should be 567 AKN 150? where the 150 represents the engine type?

Puzzling

Regards

Tim

Tim Sharp
PB0685 - Nuneaton
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6162 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2022 :  10:27:35  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Blue M

. So not an actual MG made chassis?



As the previous vendor said in his brochure “built using original chassis number KN328 as a basis for the car”. This would seem to suggest that the chassis didn’t originate in Abingdon.

Simon J
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Colin McLachlan

United Kingdom
994 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2022 :  10:54:16  Show Profile
Simon, could that quote also be missing a comma or two, thus: "built using original chassis, number KN328, as a basis for the car". Another case of "Eats, shoots, and leaves". I really wish people would pay more attention to punctuation, and particularly to the humble comma.

Colin

Crail, Fife.
PA 0613
MG3242
Register No. 2591
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Simon Johnston

United Kingdom
6162 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2022 :  11:11:39  Show Profile
You could be right, Colin, although the phrase “as a basis for the car” might suggest otherwise.

I fully agree with you about commas and don’t get me started on apostrophes!

Simon J
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