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sas
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 28/08/2010 : 19:14:13
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This subject has been on the forum before, however these are now archived and additions can no longer be made.
However, for all our benefits i should like to draw to everyones attention that ALL of our cars as originally registered in the UK would originally have had 2 letter indexes, letters ALWAYS first, followed by upto 4 numerals, 1-9999 for ALL cars registered before July 1932, when Staffordshire became the first Authority to issue 3 letter plates with their ARF, letters again preceding numbers. Some 2 letter combinations, again letters ALWAYS first continued until the suffix issues started in Feb 1963, and continued with unused numerals as age related or re-reg numbers.
We are blessed with a large number of our cars still with their original reg numbers and should anyone have queries regarding such issues i feel confident i can answer most matters.
The reg number is the ONLY unique feature a car carries for external identification. Enjoy yours as much as the motor and model that propels it.
Happy MMM reg number spotting,
Sean |
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 30/08/2010 : 19:39:11
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This post is for the owners of our cars who live anywhere other than the UK and Ireland.
Do any of you know with complete certainty if your car still carries your Countries registration number as originally issued when the car arrived new, as in exported with the first owner in that Country.
This request does not apply to any car exported at any date after having previously been UK or Ireland registered.
I am simply intrigued and interested.
Thanks,
Sean |
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 16:45:43
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In the coming months i hope to illustrate some of the origins where our plates were issued. This will be at random but will only incorporate issues known to survive on MMM cars. However earlier issues will be included for completeness, where appropriate.
Bedfordshire County Council.
BM Jan 1904 - Dec 1920
NM Dec 1920 - Dec 1926
TM Jan 1927 - Mar 1932
Jan 1929 / 4000, Jan 1930 / 6130, Jan 1931 / 8082, Jan 1932 / 9756.
MJ Mar 1932 - Feb 1936
Jan 1933 / 1430, Jan 1934 / 3323, Jan 1935 / 5921, Jan 1936 / 9591.
These numbers illustrating the progress made by each January.
Thereafter to the triple letters with first month of issue.
ABM - Mar 1936, ANM - May 1936, ATM - Aug 1936, AMJ - Dec 1936,
BBM Mar 1937, and so on, numbers 1-999.
All these issues are letters first.
Records held by Bedford County record office are believed to be pretty comprehensive.
Yours,
Sean
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Gordon
United Kingdom
691 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 16:53:21
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Is it true that UMG bought from the local council a quantity of scrap milk floats that had their registration starting with "MG" and these were then transferred to, presumably new, cars they were selling?
Gordon |
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 17:12:19
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No idea Gordon,
Do you think they were that desperate for the batteries though, or maybe the corner shop had run out of milk.
Off for a cuppa,
Sean |
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tonym
United Kingdom
653 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 17:38:20
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| A lot [not sure how many] London trolleybuses had MG registrations, with low numbers. |
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PeterL
United Kingdom
1722 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 18:55:43
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Berkshire...
Cheers
P
Ah Berkshire Town Hall was in Westminster I believe, so lots of London vehicles would have been MG |
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Mike the M
United Kingdom
481 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 00:09:27
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For all MG numbers see Julian Evers "The University Motors Listing" that was for sale at Silverstone this year, and is his personnel listing of MG, UMG and YMG numbers, from MG 1 that was on John Thornleys MGBGT to YMG 805 that is on a YB saloon, through, for example MG 2412 that was originally on a J2 that was transferred to my M type.( I did not want it so it was sold before I took it over and I eventually got my original number back.)
The MG numbers were used for all cars that University Motors sold. I saw an Austin 7 saloon sold by UM and had MG 2175, and MG 1933 that was owned by Major Bradstock the M.D. of UM!
That shows the complication on MG numbers.
Another on going interest!
Cheers.
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Peter Green
United Kingdom
1682 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 11:44:28
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When was Berkshire Town Hall (or Berkshire County Hall) in Westminster? I think Berkshire County Hall was originally in Abingdon before it moved to Reading.
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PeterL
United Kingdom
1722 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 13:44:35
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re Peter Green's comment above.. Quite right! It was Middlesex. Bang goes another theory.
Cheers
P |
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2010 : 19:54:27
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UK number plates. Part 2.
Ireland.
Still unified in 1903, the original Irish plates were unique amongst English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish issues, being alphabetical starting with County Councils.
IA - Antrim C.C. through to IZ - Mayo C.C. (excluding IG, II, IS, IV,) then AI - Meath C.C. to NI - Wicklow C.C. continued by County / City Borough Councils, OI - Belfast C.B.C. to WI - Waterford C.B.C. (excluding GI, SI, VI, XI, YI, ZI,) with many of these issues being very long lived, taking decades to use.
The first Z followed by another letter was ZI by Dublin C.B.C. in Mar 1927, the remaining Z* followed over some decades.
Both the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland continued with their original issues after 1922, the former as Eire ceased this system in 1986. N Ireland remains the only part of the UK (excluding Channel Islands) to retain the same format for registration numbers.
Thank you for your interest, Where next i wonder.
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Rodney Collins
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 10:03:12
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I sold my PA late last year, it went to France the Reg no was MG 4124 which is now back with DVLA. Hopefully if the PA comes back to the UK at some time in the future it can be reunited with it's original Reg No.
Rodney
PS Nice picture of Peter Scott in the VSCC mag driving his PA. |
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2010 : 20:29:06
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UK number plates. Part 3.
Warwickshire C.C. and Coventry C.B.C.
Warwicksire had already used AC, NX and UE when the WD were introduced in Feb 1930. This ran as follows -
WD Jan 1931 / 1709, Jan 1932 / 3244, Jan 1933 / 4817, Jan 1934 / 6597, Jan 1935 / 8766 and reached 9999 in June 1935.
Thereafter AAC Jun 1935, ANX Nov 1935, AUE Mar 1936, AWD Jun 1936, BAC Nov 1936 and so on.
Coventry C.B.C.had started with DU, then HP, RW, WK with
VC in May 1929, Jan 1930 /2801, Jan 1931 / 7261 followed by
KV in Nov 1931, Jan 1932 / 381, Jan 1933 / 3691, Jan 1934 / 7330 ending in that July.
Thereafter the triples ADU, AHP, ARW, AWK, AVC, AKV, BDU and so on.
The archetypal C.C. and separate C.B.C. each issuing their own combinations independently. Despite the local dealer, neither Council seems to have issued many plates to our MG's. A number of factors could be in play here, maybe you members have your own views, but Warwickshire did not then appear an MG hotspot, based on these issues.
Warwickshire records are held in Warwick and the Coventry issues in Coventry, the former more complete than the latter.
Start the car, we are heading North to visit our next location.
Sean |
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2010 : 20:47:00
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UK number plates. Part 4.
Bradford C.B.C.
Probably little known by those outside the West Riding of Yorkshire, but in 1903 Bradford was the 7th largest City.B.C. in England, by population, surpassed only by Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield and Bristol.
Bradford issued AK from 1903 then KU from 1922.
KW in Nov 1926 and by Jan 1930 / 7497, Jan 1931 9524.
KY in Mar 1931, Jan 1932 / 1485, Jan 1933 / 3546, Jan 1934 / 5966. Jan 1935 / 8690 when next the triples arrived with,
AAK May 1935 followed by AKU, AKW, AKY, BAK and so on.
Issues within the West Riding and from Leeds also contributed to a respectable number of our cars here, as the choice of where a buyer elected to have their car registered was their decision.
If you look at MG registrations you will find them scattered far and wide, you did not have to live in Middlesex or London.
Bradford records are held in Wakefield and unfortunately are not very comprehensive.
Let us motor South and find an unusual issue, get the car serviced and trek across the moors, maybe meet the hound of the Bask...
Sean |
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 23/09/2010 : 20:09:00
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UK number plates. Part5.
Maybe some of you are wondering how this registration system was devised. We have already looked at Ireland, whilst that in Scotland was again separate but based on that used in England with Wales, which we will look at here.
The entire process revolved around the 1901 census, with each County Council., County Borough Council., and City Borough Council., being lumped in together with issues officially starting from December 1903 based on size of population.
So A - London C.C., B - Lancashire C.C. through to Y - Somerset C.C. (ex G, I, Q, S, Z,) then AA, AB, AC and so on stopping at FT - Tynemouth C.B.C., the smallest. All these used numbers from 1 -9999 and once used a new set of letters were allocated on a totally random and ad hoc basis with no alphabetical logic whatsoever.
Please bear in mind that because a car carries an apparently late 2 letter combination, ie PA - Guildford (1913 -1919) it was issued later, this is very misleading and frequently false.
Oh, and all those single letter issues, A, E, T etc, many returned as reversals in the 1950 - 60 decades. Do not forget either if you see a J plate. Jersey yes, but also Durham C.C., so this is why you may spot them on the cars of that era, including MG's.
It is now Friday afternoon, the car is with Heard Bros of Bideford,
let us have a few days on the moors and return with the West Country issues.
Enjoy the Autumn,
Sean |
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sas
United Kingdom
73 Posts |
Posted - 13/10/2010 : 21:24:56
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UK number plates. Part 6
Cornwall C.C. and Devonshire C.C.
These 2 South West Counties had relatively few issues, but the numbers were increased by the 3 additional C.B.C. issues.
Cornwall C.C.
Started with AF from Dec 1903 followed by RL from Nov 1924, then
CV May 1929, Jan 1930 / 1426, Jan 1931 / 3915, Jan 1932 / 5802, Jan 1933 / 7654, Jan 1934 / 9534 then onto AAF Mar 1934, ACV, ARL, BAF and so on.
Devonshire C.C.
Having used T, TA, TT, UO they arrived at
DV in Mar 1929, Jan 1930 / 3454, Jan 1931 / 7742.
OD Aug 1931, Jan 1932 / 1072, Jan 1933 / 4482, Jan 1934 / 7973,
then from Jun 1934 ATA, ATT, AUO, ADV, AOD, B prefix and so on.
Part 7 will comprise the 3 C.B.C. issues, 1 which is unique in England.
Records for both these County Councils have been destroyed and illustrate how some records are non existent, others very comprehensive.
Sean |
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