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WAAF Winsum
Australia
39 Posts |
 Posted - 06/03/2012 : 09:17:48
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My M type manual says there are two grease points on the Adadmant box, the steering box thrust and the steering box. I can only find one, on the upper surface of the column an inch or so up from the box. Where is the actual box lubricated please? I am wondering if I have to take the top plate off and pack it? I am sure it is simple but so, regrettably, am I! Will be grateful for a steer (groan).
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tonym
United Kingdom
653 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2012 : 16:50:42
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Mine is just like yours - just one oiler
Should we be feeling deprived?
Short changed by the factory??
Tony |
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Keith Durston
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2012 : 17:00:51
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On the chassis side of the box there should be a tab washer that locates into the slotted nut shown on your picture. This is to stop the nut undoing. The tab washer has two fixings into the side of the box. The one nearest the slotted nut is a simple bolt. The other one on mine is an oiling nipple. Your photo does not show this part of the steering box but I assume the oiling nipple has been replaced by a bolt.
Hope this helps.
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Allan Bentley
United Kingdom
257 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2012 : 17:03:24
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I have filled mine with SAE 140 gear oil for 40 years. It may come out of the cracks but it gets everywhere it needs to.
Use an old fashioned oil gun (typicaly supplied with 1950's Ransoms lawn mowers), you don't want to blow it appart with a Wanner!
Same goes for the Marles boxes. Wear in the bearing of the drop arm shaft means that when loaded it is properly lubricated. One advantage of old age and the onset of incontenance.
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Oz34
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/03/2012 : 19:55:59
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Hi Robin,
I think Allan's mention of SAE140 should be emphasised as you talk of greasers & packing. This all sounds (possibly I'm being unfair?) as though you are intending to use grease which I think you will find will be the death of the box.
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WAAF Winsum
Australia
39 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2012 : 01:39:02
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Thank you Dave,
No, was not intending to use a normal grease but a Penrite product which they call semi fluid grease which has an NLGI 00 spec, pretty thin. It is a little bit thicker than the the 140 oil. I find it liquid enough to push through the lube tubes on my VA.
Cheers
Robin
quote]Originally posted by Oz34
Hi Robin,
I think Allan's mention of SAE140 should be emphasised as you talk of greasers & packing. This all sounds (possibly I'm being unfair?) as though you are intending to use grease which I think you will find will be the death of the box.
Dave
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WAAF Winsum
Australia
39 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2012 : 01:52:44
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Many thanks Keith,
Photo attached confirms what you say and yes there is a bolt where a nipple could go. I will have to check the thread size and put in an angled nipple to avoid the oil line which runs to my filter.
Regards
Robin
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Originally posted by Keith Durston
On the chassis side of the box there should be a tab washer that locates into the slotted nut shown on your picture. This is to stop the nut undoing. The tab washer has two fixings into the side of the box. The one nearest the slotted nut is a simple bolt. The other one on mine is an oiling nipple. Your photo does not show this part of the steering box but I assume the oiling nipple has been replaced by a bolt.
Hope this helps.
Keith
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WAAF Winsum
Australia
39 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2012 : 01:57:41
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Thanks Allan, see my reply to Dave regarding lube product. I recall when I purchased my VA being told to use 140 oil in the remote lube system and asking how do you know when there is enough with the answer being when it drips everywhere. My good lady has enough trouble with my dripping MGs without me going totally overboard and deliberately creating drips. One incontinent machine in the household is quite sufficient!
Cheers
Robin
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Originally posted by Allan Bentley
I have filled mine with SAE 140 gear oil for 40 years. It may come out of the cracks but it gets everywhere it needs to.
Use an old fashioned oil gun (typicaly supplied with 1950's Ransoms lawn mowers), you don't want to blow it appart with a Wanner!
Same goes for the Marles boxes. Wear in the bearing of the drop arm shaft means that when loaded it is properly lubricated. One advantage of old age and the onset of incontenance.
Allan
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WAAF Winsum
Australia
39 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2012 : 01:59:28
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Probably short changed by a restorer somewhere along the line Tony.
Best to you
Robin
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Originally posted by tonym
Mine is just like yours - just one oiler
Should we be feeling deprived?
Short changed by the factory??
Tony
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WAAF Winsum
Australia
39 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2012 : 07:17:38
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Problem solved, bolt replaced with a grease nipple. Thanks all.
Robin
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Originally posted by WAAF Winsum
Many thanks Keith,
Photo attached confirms what you say and yes there is a bolt where a nipple could go. I will have to check the thread size and put in an angled nipple to avoid the oil line which runs to my filter.
Regards
Robin
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Originally posted by Keith Durston
On the chassis side of the box there should be a tab washer that locates into the slotted nut shown on your picture. This is to stop the nut undoing. The tab washer has two fixings into the side of the box. The one nearest the slotted nut is a simple bolt. The other one on mine is an oiling nipple. Your photo does not show this part of the steering box but I assume the oiling nipple has been replaced by a bolt.
Hope this helps.
Keith
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tonym
United Kingdom
653 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2012 : 16:45:15
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Robin
Well I never! - so that's where the second nipple should be - will have to get out the rusty old spanners.
By the way I have been putting grease in [throught the single nipple] for over 40 years without any ill effect to the steering box.
You and I must be part of a very select - and lunatic - club to own both an M and a VA!
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Allan Bentley
United Kingdom
257 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2012 : 17:30:18
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Yes lurking in the dark under the side valence on my C Type is a second nipple. I shall give it an oily treat before the spring!
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Foz
United Kingdom
769 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2012 : 23:12:53
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Hi lucky owners of Adamant steering.......the top lube point (connected to the central system on D and F) oils the bush that the steering column inner shaft and worm shaft run through. The bottom one fills the box up. You should have a felt washer between the box and the steering arm to slow oil flow...which beside lubricating also removes any metal worn from bush or shaft. The Rat gets well oiled (some say like its keeper) when I put it on the trailer to go to a race meeting....then lots of people get to share the oil drips!
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etlanpa
United Kingdom
560 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2012 : 11:46:42
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Penrite Semi-Fluid grease is excellent in steering boxes - I was worried about the felt seal on my Adamant box leaking but hardly any escapes....
It also works well on sliding trunions  |
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