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mgtommm
USA
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 Posted - 05/12/2012 : 22:49:20
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Hello Again Groupies,
The grandson of the neato character in this red K1 has emailed me to see if the car might still be alive. I did not see it in the register listing, which isn't a good sign.
The back of the photo reads:Dr. Hugh Wray McCann, Ardristan House, Kilkeel Co Down, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom.
I totally dig that "Magnette" script on the honeycomb. The surrounding neighborhood is pretty kool, too.
tommm in ohiooo
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6134 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2012 : 08:47:34
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Hiya tommm,
I've passed this query on to some of the guys in the vintage car world back home in Northern Ireland to see what they can come up with. It's hard to tell from the photo but is the reg number CZ 3932? |
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Dan Shockey
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2012 : 17:19:37
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Hi, Simon,
My PA was originally sold in Belfast. Any way to find out info (beyond what is in the chassis files) through your Irish friends?
Thanks,
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6134 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2012 : 17:32:37
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Dan,
I'll drop you a line off line. |
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Brian Kelly
USA
526 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2012 : 19:40:54
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Yo, Tommmmmmmm.
Firstly, thanks so much for posting the great photo of the K1 Tourer.
CZ 3932. K 0392 (coincidence?)
Engine. 595AKD.
Red/Red. Red upholstery.
Delivered 28/12/33. Not a bad Christmas present.
Sold; 1/1/34. To, H.Wray-McCann
Distributed by;
Victor Ltd. Donegall House. Donegall Square West. Belfast
There's no mention of it in any of the MMM Registers.
Questions Tom, how does the grandson know it was red? Does he posess any more photos of the car? There could be an "article" there.
Hello, Mr.Shockey, what was the original Irish registration number of your PA?
Brian. |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6134 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2012 : 03:05:02
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OK, the picture was taken in Greencastle Street in Kilkeel. The giveaway is the name of the garage - McAtee - which is a common name in Kilkeel apparently. That nice Mr. Google revealed that David McAtee ran a bus company and a photo of one of his buses outside the garage confirms the location. And as an aside the logo on the wall above the garage is that of the Cyclist Touring Club and made it easy to find the spot using Google Street View.
As for the grandson knowing it was red, the same picture features in a similar query on the web site of University Motor in Grand Rapids Michigan and apparently it was his mother who told him this.
Brian, not to be picky, but if a car was registered in Belfast in the 1930s it won't have an Irish registration. The Irish authorities and the Northern Irish authorities had (and still have) separate motor vehicle licensing systems. |
Edited by - Simon Johnston on 07/12/2012 03:39:30 |
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Colin Butchers
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/12/2012 : 10:09:49
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Brilliant Simon,
From now on, you should be known as "Sherlock Johnston".
Colin B. |
Edited by - Colin Butchers on 07/12/2012 10:11:16 |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6134 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2012 : 10:41:58
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Colin,
Finding McAtee's garage in Greencastle Street was easy; finding the K1 might be a little bit more difficult! But I have my sleuths at home working on the case! |
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John Reid
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2012 : 11:01:41
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"Seems to be a two-pipe problem, Watson"
John R |
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mgtommm
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2012 : 04:13:46
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Two-pipe Simon,
Very good sleuething, mate. Love the modern comparison view.
Thanks for your input, too, Red/Red BK.
I heard more from the grandson with the good news/bad news. Grandfather was not injured, but the mighty K1 could not withstand the onslaught of a bridge abutment.
tommm on the rainy Lake Erie Beach
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6134 Posts |
Posted - 13/12/2012 : 09:18:31
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| I have just heard back from the Driver and Vehicle Agency in Northern Ireland and they have no record of the car at all. As far as I can determine, when the vehicle licensing was centralised in the 1970s only the information relating to then currently registered vehicles was transferred to the new system. The original documentation that each County Council held in its Motor Tax Office was just dumped as far as I can tell. For sure when I bought my J2 in 1972 Fermanagh Motor Tax Office still had the original paperwork for the car, but all that remains now is a digital record of it in DVA> |
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JMH
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/12/2012 : 10:53:16
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All the County Council Offices were required to send their vehicle records to Swansea when things were centralised. This included all "full" & surrendered log-books. For a short while after, owners of cars could obtain all their previous log-books from Swansea free of charge (this was not well publicised at the time). Dad found this out by accident & got all those for J2396 shortly before Swansea decided to pulp the lot!
JH
Whoops - just checked the notes; You could get all your log-books from the Local Office before they were sent off to Swansea, not after. This is probably why according to the DVLA, DG has had one previous owner, who had it from new! |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6134 Posts |
Posted - 13/12/2012 : 15:36:16
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mgtommm....
I've sent you an email via the forum system with further info about the family that owned the K1 which might be of interest to their grandson with whom you have been in touch. If you don't get my email let me know here.
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spitfire
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/12/2012 : 19:10:20
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If a photograph has "attitude" it must be this one.
That Magnette script is very jaunty.
What is it with monochrome pictures, in that the sun seems to dwarf the shadows? Far easier on the eye.
As for discarding paperwork. Certain Mr Allison saved "us" from that fate!
Nice work Simon. Bit flag up flag down in your backyard at the mo. Hope it sorts itself.
I like the way that little yellow Gogle man helps us snout about!
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