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tjackson
Australia
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 Posted - 28/05/2013 : 12:21:34
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Is anyone able to help with the identification of prewar German registration numbers? Were registrations based on city / region? Would a car delivered to a dealer or first owner in one city get a new number if the next owner was in a different city?
The numbers in question:
IA 122098
II 21011
Both of these registration numbers are J3 related, most likely associated with the two cars delivered new to University Motors and then imported to Germany by Toni Birch (Dick Seaman's racing manager for a time).
Many thanks in advance,
Tim |
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Vitesse
United Kingdom
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Vitesse
United Kingdom
234 Posts |
Posted - 28/05/2013 : 17:54:08
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First answer already in ...
The Berlin plate can't be pinned down any further, since there was only one registration office in the city, which issued them all, theoretically in straight numerical order - although it seems it was possible to get numbers reissued if the previous car had been scr@pped or sold elsewhere and/or transferred to another vehicle: Rudi Caracciola's personal Mercs always carried IA 4444 for example.
The Dresden plate comes from a batch allocated to what is best described as "Dresden county": not registered in the city itself, but somewhere within the area. It may be possible to pin this down further to a particular town.
As to whether numbers stayed with the car, it seems a little unclear:
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In general the registration was with the car, but only as long as such car remained within the province, and possibly also within the county. So if a car was sold from Dresden to Berlin it had to be re-registered there in the running sequence of the new cars. Most probably re-registration was also required when such car was sold from Dresden city to Dresden county, as the registration body was a different one.
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John Brinkmann
USA
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Posted - 28/05/2013 : 20:58:04
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| J3752 was registered IVB 107558 in Baden-Baden, yet kept at various addresses in Berlin, so it was possible to keep a number with a car. However, Countess Moy and her husband, Count Hugo von Moy de Sons, were influential and moved about, while Pam's American mother kept the villa in Baden-Baden. It was commandeered by the local Gauleiter when the U.S. entered the war. |
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Gerhard Maier
Germany
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Posted - 29/05/2013 : 10:47:38
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Hi Tim,
to give you a competent answer to your question, I asked our MG friend Hagen Nyncke, who really is an expert in german MG history.
Here is what he said, and I hope that brings you forward:
German registrations depend on the city/region where the owner lives and where the car is registered. When the car is sold within the same region, then the number plate stays with the car. When the car is sold to another region or if the owner moves, the car gets a new number and the old number is free to be used by someone else.
German registrations which start with the roman numeral “I” (for Prussia) followed by the letter “A” were issued in the city of Berlin, registrations which have a “II” with no following character were issued in the city of Dresden. Both numbers II 21011 and IA 122098 belong to the same car J 3764 owned by the Dresden lawyer Hans-Waldemar Schmidt up to spring 1937, then bought and repainted in dark blue by the young student Friedrich Höger, living in Berlin for a short time about 1937 or early 1938. |
Edited by - Gerhard Maier on 29/05/2013 10:50:37 |
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tjackson
Australia
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Posted - 30/05/2013 : 00:19:10
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Thank you all for the replies.
We had IA 122098 associated with J3764 but were not sure about II 21011 - hence the query.
Cheers & thanks again,
Tim
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Edited by - tjackson on 30/05/2013 00:20:05 |
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Robin Hamblett
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/05/2013 : 09:17:56
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Gerhard
This is excellent information, many thanks. I have a copy of Hagen's book, kindly given to me by the gentleman who sold 3764 to me last year. There are two pictures of the car, one showing it in a pale colour, presumed to be white and another over the shoulder of Friedrich Hoger. In the later picture it appears that the bonnet tops are a dark colour so your information no explains why. This also confirms to me the dashboard layout as well.
Many thanks again.
Robin
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