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DickMorbey
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05/10/2013 : 05:59:29
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The 'bump' reached me on a Greek Island, where there are very few factory pics to be found - in fact none at all.
The archive of them exists in other hands than mine.
Dick Morbey
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PeterL
United Kingdom
1723 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2013 : 06:07:27
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J3485's gearbox was black and the car green...
Cheers from Romania
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6141 Posts |
Posted - 25/10/2013 : 20:01:29
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| Bump! |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3104 Posts |
Posted - 25/10/2013 : 21:02:46
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Some engines in the factory -
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bahnisch
Australia
674 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2013 : 00:04:02
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| They must be MG's but where are the "tins" to disguise the engine blocks? |
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2543 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2013 : 00:06:16
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Having been "away from my desk" for some days, Sam these look like ENV boxes to me, of which I know nothing; I'm only refering to Wolseley ones, & I'm still convinced their alloy casings were painted!
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6141 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2013 : 03:15:15
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Dave,
The photo I posted above from Modern Motor Repair would certainly support your view that the boxes were painted. And black rather than red? |
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PeterL
United Kingdom
1723 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2013 : 12:33:05
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I think I said before, yes, in my very original green J2, J3485, the box was painted black.
The boxes in the above photo are ENV so the engines probably MG F Type and not Wolseley and the colour looks too light for the production cars too... I understand from Dutch friends that the Stiles cars had their engines painted very pale green...
Note the nickel plated starter too...
Cheers
P
PS the under-pump oil filter is worth a mention too...
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2543 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2013 : 19:27:45
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Simon & Peter L, I have no strong views on actual colours, merely the fact of paint itself.
My own P when bought in 1966 had substantial traces of red paint on the casing &, being in the "student banger" phase of her life, I think it unlikely anyone had bothered to paint. It seems to me quite likely that Js were black & Ps red, but who knows other than your photo Simon? There's no doubt that the 'box is painted, & "in period" but, it is of course particularly difficult to estimate actual colour from B&W in earlier times when red, on ortho film, appeared as black.
It has always seemed to me that when you're building a £200 car, you don't go to the trouble of painting individual parts of a major mechanical component, you assemble the part, here an engine/bellhousing/gearbox lump, & then paint the lot. On the cast iron parts it keys well & will last; on the smooth alloy g/box casing it will not.
Of course, for the same reason, would you ever paint an engine red or green & gearbox black? Surely they'd all be the same colour, which would also be better aesthetically? Was any Triple M engine ever painted black?
All a long way from "Factory Photos" i'm afraid, but at least it keeps the topic going; sorry Nick!
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Richard Hardy
United Kingdom
2159 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2013 : 21:16:27
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The photo shows very early production F type engines. Note the crosstube ENV gearboxes being used up.
Rich
Vintage MG Parts |
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Eric Taylor
France
157 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2013 : 21:37:00
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Presumably the engine on the test bed has some form of wireless ignition!
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Richard Hardy
United Kingdom
2159 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2013 : 22:57:35
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Well spotted Eric, I wondered why he had a rather puzzled posture!
Rich
Vintage MG Parts |
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PeterL
United Kingdom
1723 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2013 : 23:05:25
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F1344 had a crosstube ENV box...
Cheers
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6141 Posts |
Posted - 30/10/2013 : 08:31:53
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Like all good threads, this is going hopelessly off course and raising all sorts of interesting points. But Dave, please don't misunderstand me - I wasn't disagreeing with you. My initial comment about whether the photo you posted supported the view that the gearboxes were painted was merely my take on the photo and not a suggestion that you were wrong. And in posting the photo from the Modern Motor Repair manual I was simply offering additional support to your thesis, but not expressing a view on the colour - simply asking the question.
But at the end of the day I suspect there is no definitive answer. Wolsley may have painted their gearboxes black before delivery to MG so you could have a black gear box and a red engine; or the gearboxes may have been delivered in bare metal, bolted to the engine and then the whole thing painted. Who knows? Eighty years on I think it's down to personal preference and in fact I'm minded to paint mine black which will, I think, look better with the black carpets. Of course YMMV! |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6141 Posts |
Posted - 30/10/2013 : 08:33:44
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| But back to the original purpose of the thread - what about the factory photos????? |
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