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sam christie
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 27/03/2014 : 13:30:06
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Is M-type SC 7625 currently owned by anyone on the Forum? I have just made contact with the chap who rebuilt it about 40 years ago and it would be interesting to make some historical connections.
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2014 : 15:15:50
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This may be the same car. The one in the picture came up for sale in the last year or two in France.
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Robin Hamblett
United Kingdom
534 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2014 : 15:20:03
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Hi Sam
Any ideas on a chassis number? I can't trace the car from the registration number.
Kind regards
Robin
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tonym
United Kingdom
653 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2014 : 15:48:45
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Robin
SC 7625 is on the 1982 Register as 2M1026
Belonging to a Doug Baird of the Isle of Man.
It is still present on the Silver Jubilee Register of 1986.
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Robin Hamblett
United Kingdom
534 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2014 : 16:05:17
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Hi Sam.
SC 7625 is the original registration number for 2M/1026 which explains why it was previously listed as such on previous registers. 2M/3431 is register number 1214. My records show it as having belonged to Doug Baird on the Isle on Man but I'm afraid there is no update or confirmation of this at present.
Sorry I can't help further.
Regards
Robin
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2014 : 16:23:31
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Thanks Robin and Tony.
I wonder if the car pictured in France is indeed 2M/1026. I recall seeing a photo of the car over thirty years ago and I remember a dark body and bright red wheels. The car in the picture is in keeping with a 1930 example and my recollection.
The chap who rebuilt SC 7625 40 years ago ( Jim Marland) went on to build replica C and D-type Jaguars under the name 'Proteus'. These seem to be of astonishingly good quality and good looks. http://proteuscars.co.uk/the-new-proteus-type-c/
Jim's background is coach building and he built several M-type bodies including mine - hence my special interest. Hopefully Jim will send me a picture of his car shortly.
Sam
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Edited by - sam christie on 27/03/2014 16:44:39 |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2014 : 19:40:38
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Here is a picture of SC 7625 taken in June 1974 which Jim has just forwarded. It is dark green and Jim is positive it is the car which appeared in France.
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Cathelijne
Netherlands
744 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2014 : 20:27:38
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Is that really dark green, Sam? To me, the car looks black in both photographs, especially in the top one.
And I don't get the chassis number story, can someone explain, please?
On the current Register, 2m3431 shows registration number 750 MAN. Why should this be the car in the (second) picture if SC 7625 belongs to 2M1026 (which is not on the current Register)?
Regards,
Cat
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LewPalmer
USA
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Posted - 27/03/2014 : 21:32:59
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I know nothing of either car, however, there are several items which indicate they may NOT be the same car. Note the position of the car club badge in both photos. Also the line of bolts/screws in the second photo and none clearly visible in the first, chrome badge bar in the first versus painted in the second, tonneau snaps in the first, none in the second, the presence of a Union Jack on the bonnet in the second and none in the first.
I, too, don't understand the reference to 2M3431. What does this have to do with anything?
I may have an explanation of why 2M1026 is not on the current register. A few years back, Bob Clare, the then current Registrar asked me to see if I could locate a number of cars which had not been heard of in a number of years. Many of these were M-types. His goal was to retire a number of them from the active register if they were believe to have been lost or destroyed. Thus, if the owner of 2M1026 had not been active and the car was unknown, it could have been one which was simply removed from the list of active registered cars.
Lew Palmer
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Malcolm Eades
United Kingdom
379 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2014 : 23:27:03
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Allowing for the time elapsed between the pictures, I'm not sure the differences are that significant. It's not a union jack, it the cross of St George and how likely is it that a French owner would leave it in place?! The position of the club badge could be altered in minutes on a whim. And I think I can see the line of valence fixings, albeit dulled over time.
Malcolm
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2014 : 00:32:05
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The car looks black to me too but Jim Marland who restored it and provided this photograph says it is dark green. This photo was taken 40 years ago (June 1974) just after restoration -
This one was taken about 38 years later and is part of a set of six which I copied off the internet when the car was for sale in France.
Jim Marland has seen the set which includes the above and the interior and he is emphatic it is the car he restored.
This is another view of the 'French' car. To adapt the respected words of John Stafford Smith - the flag is still there.
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2538 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2014 : 09:42:17
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Sam, the head on view confirms that, as I suspected, the badge on the French car is a Triple M Register badge rather than the Main Club badge on your friend's car. Not I realise necessarily significant but....
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2014 : 10:31:09
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Cat and Lew,I am told the chassis number confusion relates to a period when the number SC 7625 was attributed on the Register to two different chassis numbers at the same time (if I understand correctly). 2M 1026 seems in keeping with the general look of the car and 'early 1930' fits in with Jim's memory.
A little trick with UK registration numbers is to look up National Tyres http://www.national.co.uk
and type in the registration number as indicated. SC 7625 draws a blank which is usually a bad sign. It could be that SC 7625 has been outside the UK for so long that the number has been 'lost'. If it spent a while in the Isle of Man it might have been obliged to take on an Isle of Man number and loose the original - but I am only speculating.
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Blue M
United Kingdom
1472 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2014 : 11:40:00
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I think the unusual headlamps are a giveaway, as is the slightly too upright windscreen.
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Mike the M
United Kingdom
481 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2014 : 11:58:13
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According to the chassis files SC 7625 Chassis 2M 1026 was supplied by Westfield Autocar Company of Edinburgh to a John R Nesbitt, 20 Tantallon Place, Edinburgh and was in the 1931 Scottish Rally and the SSCC Inaugural Trial in 1932. Just to confuse the issue, the original colour was Grey! The picture above looks BLUE, is it my eyes or my computer!
J. R. Nesbitt later had a J2 J33463 FS 6617.
Cheers, Mike
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3099 Posts |
Posted - 28/03/2014 : 16:02:59
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I have just discovered SC 7625 was actually advertised in March 2010 at 30,000 Euros . At that price it could still be for sale.
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Edited by - sam christie on 28/03/2014 16:05:28 |
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