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sam christie
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22/12/2016 : 12:11:24
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Keith Durston has asked on another thread when the M-type changed to front hinge doors and black instrument panel. I have always assumed other changes happened at the same time including a solid wooden dashboard in place of plywood covered in Rexine and the disappearance of the external brake rods and the transmission brake. Is this correct and is there evidence?
The move to Abingdon seems the most likely time for all the changes at or around chassis number 2M 747.
2M 747 could represent the transition point. It appeared in a slightly garbled ad (as the oldest M-type!) - some time ago -
As the last M-type at Edmond Road 2M 747 could have become a prototype for the '1930' form of the car and hopefully its restoration has not obscured its history. Perhaps the current owner can help?
Is it possible this is the same car with all the 1930 features except for a 1929 instrument panel?
Does anyone have an M-type (or know the history of one) close to chassis number 2M0747 (before or after) who can comment on the changes?
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Edited by - sam christie on 22/12/2016 12:13:44 |
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nigel stroud
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 23/12/2016 : 11:25:40
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Hi Sam, I had the pleasure of owning 2MO734 until recently.
The following were its particular points which I believed were original:-
Rod/ Cable brakes with plain (no-fins)drums
Early Morris wheel centers
Central throttle with heel recess in the floor
Rexine covered dash with early speedo position and white backed gauges
2-piece bench seat (ie bench base and back)
6 louvre front apron
Single side bonnet catches
Bronze carburettor
Rear hinged doors
Rotax headlights (701?)
Early screen supports
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Edited by - nigel stroud on 23/12/2016 11:27:08 |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3104 Posts |
Posted - 23/12/2016 : 15:43:49
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Thanks Nigel. 2MO734 is in keeping with the theory as one of the very last cars from Edmund Road with all the earlier features. A picture/pictures would be great.
Next we need some post 2M0747 examples. I notice 2M750 is the closest number but anything near would be very interesting. On the register I notice some M-types closely following 2M0747 described as "Modern 1275cc engine" ..."basket case"..."under restoration April'05."
Oliver Richardson's car is 2M 0784 and looks promising.
Sam
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LewPalmer
USA
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Posted - 23/12/2016 : 16:10:07
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It's hardly the "Oldest Known Surviving M-type". Here in the US, we have at least 4 earlier cars including 2M0259, 2M0262,2M0475, and 2M0586.
Maybe the oldest known Abingdon car, but hardly the oldest known.
Lew Palmer
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Edited by - LewPalmer on 23/12/2016 16:16:36 |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3104 Posts |
Posted - 23/12/2016 : 17:35:26
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Lew I count about 85 older cars on the Register.
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3104 Posts |
Posted - 24/12/2016 : 23:43:32
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I have been browsing the Register database after 2M0747 and up to 2M0812 and looking at the pictures I cannot find any with external brake rods, so the theory seems to be secure.
Jack Gardner has reminded me that today later cars sometimes have three speed gearboxes with signs of transmission brakes, but no other early brake components. This is almost certainly due to a very ample supply of three speed gearboxes (both versions) from Morris Minors over the last 86 years.
The mid 1930 (well post transmission brake) M-type below with a D-type remote has an ex Minor three speed with signs that it once supported a transmission brake. Ironically, this gearbox replaced an ex Morris Minor four speed gearbox which had itself, in turn, replaced the original factory fitted three speed.
Sam
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3104 Posts |
Posted - 25/12/2016 : 09:13:31
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Also, Register photographs show quite a few Edmond Road M-types have later style improved brakes but this upgrading has probably been going on since 1930 and would be very tempting and understandable in the course of a major restoration.
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nigel stroud
United Kingdom
110 Posts |
Posted - 26/12/2016 : 17:32:17
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| I omitted from my list the transmission brake and also the long clutch release shaft onto which the brake pedal pivoted. |
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davies
United Kingdom
699 Posts |
Posted - 27/12/2016 : 13:22:45
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| 2M0761 had the Brake Pedal attached to the chassis via cast bracket - Rich |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3104 Posts |
Posted - 27/12/2016 : 17:59:04
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Thanks Richard, that makes it in keeping with the later pattern and fits the theory..
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Keith Durston
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2016 : 10:00:07
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I suppose the other logical questions relating to the "upgrades" are:
1. when did the large dynamo engine replace the small dynamo one?
2. when did the square helmet wings replace the rounded ones?
3. when did the straight headlamp bars replace the curly ones?
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3104 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2016 : 14:12:00
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i think some of the clues about bodywork are contained in the parts lists.
There is a dynamo change at engine 2009 but I don't think it amswers the question.
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PreWarMG
Australia
428 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2016 : 08:03:01
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Another question - When did the changeover from fabric to metal body skins happen ?.
And when was the change of front apron from 6 flutes to 8 ?.
Thanks in anticipation,
Tony
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PreWarMG
Australia
428 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2016 : 08:25:42
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Do we know the chassis number of the car that was fitted with engine #2009 - that would help locate the change to the larger generator in the chassis sequence.
Thanks
Tony
We are here for a good time, not a long time !. |
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sam christie
United Kingdom
3104 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2016 : 08:59:58
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Sadly I don't think engine number 2009 is the change from the slim dynamo to the fatter one but a change to a dynamo not wired for half charge. Engine 2009 would have come out (I think) in the latter half of 1930.
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PreWarMG
Australia
428 Posts |
Posted - 31/12/2016 : 02:06:38
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Thanks Sam for clarifying that. Time to venture down the dusty end of the bookshelf for my copy of Oxford to Abingdon & see if there are any details there.
Happy new Year to all.
Tony
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