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Oz34
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 26/12/2020 : 20:28:39
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I absolutely support your view Chris and I have no problem at all with someone doing as you did and breathing life into a pile of parts. What I cannot approve of is the taking of a sound, and quite rare in it's own right, car like the one time Peter Mace K1(Peter was NOT involved in this) and stripping it for the purpose.
Whether or not Onno has found the correct car in K0390, and it certainly looks quite possible that he has, the state of this body suggests the dismemberment of a good K1 Tourer and it does upset me.
In the case of Peter's car I believe the body found a new home with someone who was doing as Chris Nowlan was suggesting. Lets hope it happens again!
In an ideal world the would be K3 owner would have found the bodyless chassis and this body would have remained where Abingdon put it nearly 90 years ago.
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Onno
Netherlands
1045 Posts |
Posted - 26/12/2020 : 21:35:01
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Dave and Chris I wholly support that view that you do not cut up a perfectly fine example to turn in to a repro.
And I can not guarantee I found “the car” but could not find a more matching example (would love to be proven wrong)
One note to the repro brigade.
Why not make that bare chassis you find a special?
No need to copy what has been done just make it suit your needs in the best home made special/coach build tradition
All the fun for most likely less money
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2538 Posts |
Posted - 26/12/2020 : 23:28:32
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Taking your last comment one step further Onno, there are firms that will build a chassis frame for you. If it's not going to be the "real thing", do you need a genuine K chassis, would you not be just as well off with a brand new one? In the overall cost of building the car, by the time you've deducted the cost of buying the genuine article, it might not cost an enormous amount more?
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PeterL
United Kingdom
1723 Posts |
Posted - 27/12/2020 : 07:48:27
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It is the macho K3 image...
and the desire to race with the VSCC lot.
And the rules: that requires original cars to be used
And presumably that allow modified cars to be used
But then they are only toys, I am ashamed to say...
Happy 2021!
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Onno
Netherlands
1045 Posts |
Posted - 27/12/2020 : 08:05:21
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Dave,
I understand original chassis being used because you otherwise cannot register it on the road.
It might indeed be cheaper.
Peter,
You’d be surprised how little people dare to race their “race car”
I do however admire all the owners of proper cars racing them, as I have seen at least 5 of the original 33 on track recently!
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Fred Boothby
United Kingdom
364 Posts |
Posted - 27/12/2020 : 08:51:16
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| In answer to PeterLs suggestion that people build K3 replicas with a desire to race with the VSCC , I must say that the VSCC is tightening up on the eligibility rules and 'new' K3s are likely to be classified as 'Specials' . Far better to have kept the car as original and race it in the Standard class. VSCC are taking a very dim view of those breaking up an original car to make something more sporting ( and valuable ) and have recently refused renewal of membership to a chap that turned a perfectly good and original Amilcar saloon into a purely money-making venture . |
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Oz34
United Kingdom
2538 Posts |
Posted - 27/12/2020 : 11:43:16
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Great news Fred!
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
6125 Posts |
Posted - 27/12/2020 : 12:16:12
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The pomposity of the VSCC knows no bounds. I’m reminded of the chap here in Norn Iron some years ago who was apparently refused membership of the VSCC on the spurious grounds that he - wait for it - had the temerity to buy and sell 'vintage' cars in a private capacity. Not a 'Dan Margulies' you understand, just an ordinary bloke doing a bit of dealing. I wonder how many cars racing in VSCC events are actually new, built from scratch, but their owners are important chaps so everything is quietly brushed under the carpet.
Simon J
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Foz
United Kingdom
769 Posts |
Posted - 27/12/2020 : 14:18:08
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OH DEAR! 2021... stop talking and USE the blxxdy cars as they were expected to be used by CK Getting my Hogwarts book out to cast a spell ... make is so Number 1.
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Foz
United Kingdom
769 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2020 : 12:39:12
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Just been told off ... spelling mistake and I should have mis-quoted the captain's command....
" make it so Old Number One."
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Fred Boothby
United Kingdom
364 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2020 : 15:24:35
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| If by 'pompous' it is meant that the Vintage Sports Car Club strives to preserve our motoring heritage , then I am all for it and must assume I am pompous as well ( don't say anything , Foz !) . And I simply do not believe that the VSCC would refuse membership to an Ulsterman , simply because he has bought and sold some vintage cars . Furthermore I cannot recall a single 'new' car , built from scratch that is racing with the VSCC , owned by an important chap or fellow peasant. Long live the VSCC ! |
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Westbury
United Kingdom
2010 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2020 : 16:16:30
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Hello, Fred .
I agree with everything you say except your last but one sentence.
Have you not heard of the Tony Merrick E.R.A.?
Regards,
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Fred Boothby
United Kingdom
364 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2020 : 17:19:45
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| Chris , I understand that the 13th ERA was built using original ERA parts from Bourne , but used a reproduction chassis. It was built with the sanction of the HGPDA . I am sure it had new wheels , etc , but the main mechanical parts were factory items. |
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Ray Masters
United Kingdom
568 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2020 : 18:45:13
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It is of course badged AJM and is a tribute to the skill of the late Tony Merrick who died just before Christmas .
I remember Tony racing a J2 with independent front suspension , Fiat l think , in the late 1950s or early 60 s before he moved onto driving Sandy Murray’s ERA to great effect.
His recently published book will be , I’m sure , a great read .I’m saving up for it !. |
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JMH
United Kingdom
911 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2020 : 20:14:50
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| J3751 Ray, the s/s that Malcolm Beer has & Bruce won the MHT in 1964 - the year I was born#128563; |
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