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CrashBox
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BobH
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05/03/2018 : 11:44:44
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CrashBox
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2018 : 11:46:27
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The church is right next door to the site of the Morris factory.
Re:PZ. I was a bit confused myself by the use of Z on a UK number plate, but took the information from The Kithead Trust. Having consulted this very useful document http://www.metadyne.co.uk/pdf_files/CarReg.pdf it clearly says PS and not PZ. Thanks for the heads up Simon. |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2018 : 12:49:21
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Originally posted by CrashBox
Re:PZ. I was a bit confused myself by the use of Z on a UK number plate ...
Oh dear - it IS a UK number plate!!!
Simon J
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CrashBox
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2018 : 16:46:04
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| That confused me for a moment. True, seeing as Northern Ireland is part of the UK, but I was separating the island of Ireland as having a slightly different system. It just didn't come across very well. Apologies there. What I should have said is Z wasn't used by English, Welsh or Scottish local authorities, or by the DVLA before 2001. |
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Simon Johnston
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2018 : 17:01:18
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No worries, Jonathan. The letters I and Z were restricted to use in Ireland prior to partition in 1921 and we retained the Irish county licensing system of letters in Northern Ireland after partition so my 1933 J2 is 'IL' (County Fermanagh) and the 1953 TD that I had years ago was 'PZ' (Belfast). We still use the old county letter identification with letter prefixes, e.g. AIL, and with letters before and after the number, but nowadays they are centrally issued so no longer have the same geographic connection. And of course 'I' and 'Z' are now to be found in GB (not UK!) registration numbers.
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Mike the M
United Kingdom
485 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2018 : 17:50:17
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That is wonderful that you are proposing to go to the Oxford Archives! Perhaps you can arrange to go together, and to do part each!
The records usually only show the number, name and initials of the owner, basic address, make, h.p.(horse power), S or T (for saloon or tourer), and date of registration.
There is not usually the chassis number!
I did the "DV" at the Devon records recently and I found 5 18/80s and 22 M types. The 18/80s were quotes as 13.8 or 14 h.p. and the M types were 8 h.p.
"WS" is quoted as Leith B and the records are in Edinburgh at the City Archives.
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colintf
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2018 : 18:48:36
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Originally posted by Mike the M
That is wonderful that you are proposing to go to the Oxford Archives! Perhaps you can arrange to go together, and to do part each!
The records usually only show the number, name and initials of the owner, basic address, make, h.p.(horse power), S or T (for saloon or tourer), and date of registration.
There is not usually the chassis number!
I did the "DV" at the Devon records recently and I found 5 18/80s and 22 M types. The 18/80s were quotes as 13.8 or 14 h.p. and the M types were 8 h.p.
"WS" is quoted as Leith B and the records are in Edinburgh at the City Archives.
Mike Dalby
Many thanks Mike :)
Colin Murrell
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Photographer for MGCC (LeMans Classic, Oldtimer Grand Prix etc) & MG Motor (BTCC 2012-5)
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creamcracker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2018 : 19:01:20
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Thanks for the information re the Oxfordshire Archives Office. Don't know when I'll be able to get there, but sometime this year. Got two engines to rebuild first!
Keith
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KevinA
New Zealand
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Posted - 05/03/2018 : 19:36:36
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Mike
The 13.8 or 14hp cars wouldn't have been 18/80s (18hp) but the earlier 14/28 or 14/40s.
You will find that records in different places might record different things and it is very difficult to generalise. Coventry for example have record cards not ledgers, while Preston have ledgers. Both of these do include the chassis numbers but different sets of information on the owners.
Hopefully the Oxford records are in the more informative category! |
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Mike the M
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2018 : 20:02:30
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Sorry, 18/80 being the "generic" term for a Pre - MMM!!
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CrashBox
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/03/2018 : 19:15:18
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CrashBox
United Kingdom
41 Posts |
Posted - 14/03/2018 : 22:04:06
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Hi, firstly I'm going to apologise for being unable to get much information back to you guys. I did manage to visit the Oxford RO earlier today but the journey took considerably longer than anticipated and there was quite a bit I needed to do before I finally got around to looking at the JO indexes. On top of that, as I'm actually down visiting family I took them with me with the understanding that I'll only spend an hour or so at the RO and spend the rest of the day in Oxford itself. I'll be back down in the Midlands in September for two weeks as opposed to the one week of this visit, so I've already made it clear to the family that I'll be making a day-long visit to the RO during that two weeks. Anyway....
There's very little information one can glean from the records held at Oxford RO. There's certainly no chassis or engine numbers recorded on the list of each JO index. It basically gives either the garage who sold the car (JO 1 - JO 100) or in certain cases it gives the name of the first owner (JO 5000s), then the address, followed by vehicle make/model/colour and ends with the date of registration. So far I've only got as far as JO 100, so still have a massive mountain to climb. I've left my note book in the car, so I'll need to get it. |
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CrashBox
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/03/2018 : 22:44:01
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JO 1 Blue 'Midget' sold by Morris Garages 3/8/1930
JO 5 Black/red 'MG 8' 2-seater as above 2/2/1931
JO 72 Grey MG 2-seater 'Midget' 8/8/1930
JO 74 Red/black MG Coupe 19/7/1930
JO 78 Blue MG 2-seater 19/7/1930
JO 91 MG 2-seater
JO 94 MG 2-seater
JO 95 MG 2-seater
JO 96 MG 2-seater
JO 98 MG 2-seater
Sorry, I ran out of time on those last few, so didn't record the details. They're definitely Midgets though. |
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CrashBox
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/03/2018 : 23:17:35
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| Sorry guys, scrub JO 94, that's a Morris Minor. Forum won't let me edit after a lapse of 30 minutes for some strange reason. |
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